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"... So, why not simply weigh votes by karma? ..." It's been mooted before & discussed a bit. I thought the response was a combination of editors (who delete

"... So, why not simply weigh votes by karma? ..." It's been mooted before & discussed a bit. I thought the response was a combination of editors (who delete posts, make titles readable) and upvoting by users. Poor submissions simply sit around 1 and just never make it to the /news stack. Can you give examples of where the "integrity of submissions" warrant what you suggest?

robg 19y ago
Ignore those low-recognized submissions and the associated points. By "integrity", I just meant a way to protect from drift. If the early users "know" the community, and they soon get overrun by newbies (the Reddit phenomenon), then why not give those early/frequent users a greater voice? A newbie would still get their voice amplified as they show they "understand" the community (i.e., accumulated karma). I'm cool with editors fixing and deleting posts. But amplifying their voice in votes seems more problematic - both technically and from a community-stand point. Why not let the "best" voters simply emerge from the community esprit de corps? That's not to say a great voter is anyone above some predetermined ceiling - just that community knowledge increases as a function of karma - weight the votes accordingly and you protect the community while respecting every user's contribution.
- bootload 19y ago
  "... just that community knowledge increases as a function of karma ..." Reasonable approach similiar to perlmonks where you have to earn rights instead of being "gifted" them. The karma approach breaks down if you assume karma is permanent ~ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63583 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63583 An effective way is to be familiar with hacker submission names from the leader board or read the comments. I do like your idea though and it's something I wish existed on /. a long time ago when the "hoards" found it.
  - robg 19y ago
    It's never too late since the early adopters would still have more accumulated karma. But you're right - if they aren't as active as they were you could run into a community that wants to pass them by (viva la revolution!) but is hindered by the status quo. Still, with so many voices, I'm not sure I'd be concerned. Anyone who accumulates karma would get the voice to match. P.s. I say all this knowing that my own votes would likely lose value. But that's cool with me since I don't get to hang out here as much as I'd like. Better to make the keepers of the community the ones who have the most invested. What's nice about karma is that it's recognition by other community members that your voice matters.

robg 19y ago

Ignore those low-recognized submissions and the associated points. By "integrity", I just meant a way to protect from drift. If the early users "know" the community, and they soon get overrun by newbies (the Reddit phenomenon), then why not give those early/frequent users a greater voice? A newbie would still get their voice amplified as they show they "understand" the community (i.e., accumulated karma). I'm cool with editors fixing and deleting posts. But amplifying their voice in votes seems more problematic - both technically and from a community-stand point. Why not let the "best" voters simply emerge from the community esprit de corps? That's not to say a great voter is anyone above some predetermined ceiling - just that community knowledge increases as a function of karma - weight the votes accordingly and you protect the community while respecting every user's contribution.

bootload 19y ago
"... just that community knowledge increases as a function of karma ..." Reasonable approach similiar to perlmonks where you have to earn rights instead of being "gifted" them. The karma approach breaks down if you assume karma is permanent ~ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63583 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=63583 An effective way is to be familiar with hacker submission names from the leader board or read the comments. I do like your idea though and it's something I wish existed on /. a long time ago when the "hoards" found it.
- robg 19y ago
  It's never too late since the early adopters would still have more accumulated karma. But you're right - if they aren't as active as they were you could run into a community that wants to pass them by (viva la revolution!) but is hindered by the status quo. Still, with so many voices, I'm not sure I'd be concerned. Anyone who accumulates karma would get the voice to match. P.s. I say all this knowing that my own votes would likely lose value. But that's cool with me since I don't get to hang out here as much as I'd like. Better to make the keepers of the community the ones who have the most invested. What's nice about karma is that it's recognition by other community members that your voice matters.