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In the case of the couple who talk about their relationship on their balcony, there is no audience they realize and no shameful act. Just a private conversation

In the case of the couple who talk about their relationship on their balcony, there is no audience they realize and no shameful act. Just a private conversation _made_ public. Like somebody photographing you (just you) pissing on a tree without your knowledge. When the photographer publishes this photo in a newspaper it is illegal and unethical. I'm just saying that they made it happen themselves. The people everybody is getting angry at for posting the events weren't even necessary for it. This is were I disagree. Diane behaved badly, but she didn't pick a fight with the whole world. The people who publicize the events are necessary for it. They are essential for the public shaming. Without them it would be just a short story some passengers would have told their families and friends. Something Diane would probably be ok with. By tweeting this, it is like Diane has acted in front of a dozen journalists who take photos while laughing at her. It's a malicious act, like a hidden camera to make everybody laugh at her.

mikeash 13y ago
Shouting on a balcony is not something a reasonable person thinks cannot be overheard by huge numbers of surrounding people. As for the rest, I guess that's that. You see a qualitative difference between embarrassing yourself in a crowd and embarrassing yourself in a crowd and online, while I only see a quantitative difference.
- chromanoid 13y ago
  @Shouting on a balcony: They even thought about this possibility loudly (see the article). It is pretty unethical to not say anything when you know they don't want you to hear them, especially when it's about private stuff and you are planning to post it on twitter. @Quality of shame: I think it's more about the audience you as a person expect. Everybody would behave differently when we know we might be watched by the whole internet. Did you ever watch "The Truman Show"?
  - mikeash 13y ago
    Another thing I don't get: how is it possible to "know they don't want you to hear them" when they're shouting in public? The very act indicates that they don't care about being heard. If they didn't want you to hear them, they would have gone inside.
    - chromanoid 13y ago
      From #roofbreakup: "I don't think we need to talk about this up here with some random guy over there." -guy (uh oh, I'm that guy over here) "He's just sitting on his fucking phone he doesn't care (talking about me). Answer my question." -girl But he does care, he sneakily extends the audience to such an extent, both persons obviously wouldn't agree with. He is one reason why it will be more and more uncomfortable to have conversations in spaces, that are originally meant for people and their human needs. see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827715 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827715 & https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827592

mikeash 13y ago

Shouting on a balcony is not something a reasonable person thinks cannot be overheard by huge numbers of surrounding people. As for the rest, I guess that's that. You see a qualitative difference between embarrassing yourself in a crowd and embarrassing yourself in a crowd and online, while I only see a quantitative difference.

chromanoid 13y ago
@Shouting on a balcony: They even thought about this possibility loudly (see the article). It is pretty unethical to not say anything when you know they don't want you to hear them, especially when it's about private stuff and you are planning to post it on twitter. @Quality of shame: I think it's more about the audience you as a person expect. Everybody would behave differently when we know we might be watched by the whole internet. Did you ever watch "The Truman Show"?
- mikeash 13y ago
  Another thing I don't get: how is it possible to "know they don't want you to hear them" when they're shouting in public? The very act indicates that they don't care about being heard. If they didn't want you to hear them, they would have gone inside.
  - chromanoid 13y ago
    From #roofbreakup: "I don't think we need to talk about this up here with some random guy over there." -guy (uh oh, I'm that guy over here) "He's just sitting on his fucking phone he doesn't care (talking about me). Answer my question." -girl But he does care, he sneakily extends the audience to such an extent, both persons obviously wouldn't agree with. He is one reason why it will be more and more uncomfortable to have conversations in spaces, that are originally meant for people and their human needs. see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827715 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827715 & https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827592 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6827592