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This weekend project someone wants to buy at $10,000 bucks

10 points by tonytonyjan 13y ago

tijs 13y ago
Sell for $16.000. Go build something else. Repeat.
- markdown 13y ago
  FYI that figure is $16 in most parts of the world. Use a comma ($16,000) for international audiences.
  - k__ 13y ago
    Isn't the comma and point distributed about 50:50 on worlds population? --- When I see points I think US/UK and inch, mile, pound. This seems all wrong to me :D
  - thebiglebrewski 13y ago
    I guess they could just say 16K!
  - mbel 13y ago
    I would argue it's not _most_ parts of the world (imo roughly half) [0]. But surely it is a better idea to use comma here as the sentence is in English. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.s...
    - jdotjdot 13y ago
      Whoops sorry, looks like we replied at the same time...great minds think alike?
  - jdotjdot 13y ago
    Actually, it's split pretty evenly. See this map.[1] The main difference is that the English-speaking world mainly uses the comma, and HN is generally an English-language board. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.s...
    - pc86 13y ago
      That’s not accurate. If you look at the article that image is used in[0], you’ll see that while only 24% of the world’s population uses a comma, 60% uses a full stop. So while yes, it’s pretty much ubiquitous in Europe, worldwide 2.5x more people use the full stop. Luckily, grouping by 3 digits and typically only displaying 2 decimal places makes it easy to determine the intended number based on context. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
      - jdotjdot 13y ago
        I would argue that percentage of population that uses one versus the other is not the best metric here to determine worldwide use, but rather geographic dispersion or likelihood of use in a random international communication. The parent comments were discussing the appropriateness of the comma/period as decimal on HN, as a forum of generally international interest. As such, sheer percentage of users is not as relevant as the accepted usage in an international or intercultural context. We end up being in agreement over the outcome, but disagree on the standard for measurement. Example of why percentage population doesn't work: 14% of the world speaks Chinese natively by one estimate, the most of any language. [1] Does that mean that Chinese punctuation or syntactic standards are more likely to be used worldwide? [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_...
        pc86 13y ago
        I like your Chinese example because it made me think about the root question, but I think there’s an important distinction to be made in that while only a plurality of people speak Chinese natively (and a small one at that, less that 1 of every 5 people), a majority of people use the full stop decimal notation (and a decently large one at that, 3 of every 5). If you pick a language at random, it is more likely to not be Chinese than it is to be Chinese, but it is more likely to be Chinese than any other single language. However, if you pick a notation at random it is both more likely to be full stop than any other notation as well as more likely to be full stop than any other specific notation (I believe the chart only showed three examples). I didn’t take the time to look into it but it also appears that weighting each country equally (e.g. Luxembourg = China for probability’s sake) would shift the balance in favor of comma notation, which may belie more cultural or regional significance than simply focusing on the population percentage.
  - downandout 13y ago
    I had to spend an hour explaining our comma system to a friend that happens to be a translator. It's very difficult for people outside the US to understand our notation system.
    - thaumasiotes 13y ago
      "We use commas to divide large integers into groups of 3 digits. Grouping is done from the right end of the number, for example: 17,000,120". Those two rules are, to my knowledge, the entirety of the US number-commaing system. How did you spend an hour on it? It might be difficult for people to understand it before having it explained, but I wouldn't call it complex.
      - downandout 13y ago
        She just couldn't wrap her head around it. Kept going back and forth. She was trying to determine whether a number in a document she was translating meant million or billion.
danielweber 13y ago
Could I please get some context?
- alixaxel 13y ago
  I think the submission itself is an attempt to sell it for 10k.
- tonytonyjan 13y ago
  Buy for the rights and ownership of this app, including source code.
alixaxel 13y ago
Who wants to buy that?
- ozi 13y ago
  Probably an adware company who wants a browser plugin that is appealing to "the masses."
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jyothepro 13y ago
I did an iOS app that does something similar http://albumsyncer.jyothepro.com/ http://albumsyncer.jyothepro.com/ but not enough users :(

10 points by tonytonyjan 13y ago

tijs 13y ago

Sell for $16.000. Go build something else. Repeat.

markdown 13y ago
FYI that figure is $16 in most parts of the world. Use a comma ($16,000) for international audiences.
- k__ 13y ago
  Isn't the comma and point distributed about 50:50 on worlds population? --- When I see points I think US/UK and inch, mile, pound. This seems all wrong to me :D
- thebiglebrewski 13y ago
  I guess they could just say 16K!
- mbel 13y ago
  I would argue it's not _most_ parts of the world (imo roughly half) [0]. But surely it is a better idea to use comma here as the sentence is in English. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.s...
  - jdotjdot 13y ago
    Whoops sorry, looks like we replied at the same time...great minds think alike?
- jdotjdot 13y ago
  Actually, it's split pretty evenly. See this map.[1] The main difference is that the English-speaking world mainly uses the comma, and HN is generally an English-language board. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.svg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20130228DecimalSeparator.s...
  - pc86 13y ago
    That’s not accurate. If you look at the article that image is used in[0], you’ll see that while only 24% of the world’s population uses a comma, 60% uses a full stop. So while yes, it’s pretty much ubiquitous in Europe, worldwide 2.5x more people use the full stop. Luckily, grouping by 3 digits and typically only displaying 2 decimal places makes it easy to determine the intended number based on context. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
    - jdotjdot 13y ago
      I would argue that percentage of population that uses one versus the other is not the best metric here to determine worldwide use, but rather geographic dispersion or likelihood of use in a random international communication. The parent comments were discussing the appropriateness of the comma/period as decimal on HN, as a forum of generally international interest. As such, sheer percentage of users is not as relevant as the accepted usage in an international or intercultural context. We end up being in agreement over the outcome, but disagree on the standard for measurement. Example of why percentage population doesn't work: 14% of the world speaks Chinese natively by one estimate, the most of any language. [1] Does that mean that Chinese punctuation or syntactic standards are more likely to be used worldwide? [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_...
      - pc86 13y ago
        I like your Chinese example because it made me think about the root question, but I think there’s an important distinction to be made in that while only a plurality of people speak Chinese natively (and a small one at that, less that 1 of every 5 people), a majority of people use the full stop decimal notation (and a decently large one at that, 3 of every 5). If you pick a language at random, it is more likely to not be Chinese than it is to be Chinese, but it is more likely to be Chinese than any other single language. However, if you pick a notation at random it is both more likely to be full stop than any other notation as well as more likely to be full stop than any other specific notation (I believe the chart only showed three examples). I didn’t take the time to look into it but it also appears that weighting each country equally (e.g. Luxembourg = China for probability’s sake) would shift the balance in favor of comma notation, which may belie more cultural or regional significance than simply focusing on the population percentage.
- downandout 13y ago
  I had to spend an hour explaining our comma system to a friend that happens to be a translator. It's very difficult for people outside the US to understand our notation system.
  - thaumasiotes 13y ago
    "We use commas to divide large integers into groups of 3 digits. Grouping is done from the right end of the number, for example: 17,000,120". Those two rules are, to my knowledge, the entirety of the US number-commaing system. How did you spend an hour on it? It might be difficult for people to understand it before having it explained, but I wouldn't call it complex.
    - downandout 13y ago
      She just couldn't wrap her head around it. Kept going back and forth. She was trying to determine whether a number in a document she was translating meant million or billion.

danielweber 13y ago

Could I please get some context?

alixaxel 13y ago
I think the submission itself is an attempt to sell it for 10k.
tonytonyjan 13y ago
Buy for the rights and ownership of this app, including source code.

alixaxel 13y ago

Who wants to buy that?

ozi 13y ago
Probably an adware company who wants a browser plugin that is appealing to "the masses."

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jyothepro 13y ago

I did an iOS app that does something similar http://albumsyncer.jyothepro.com/ http://albumsyncer.jyothepro.com/ but not enough users :(