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How about you unambiguously define what it means to treat women as objects?

by brazzy 13y ago

runarberg 13y ago
That is treat a human being like she does not have emotions. That is treat a human being like something that is an object. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification
- brazzy 13y ago
  > That is treat a human being like she does not have emotions. Why exactly do wolf whistles fall under this definition? > That is treat a human being like something that is an object. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition
  - runarberg 13y ago
    First, if you define women under the same criteria as objects, then you need to seriously reconsider your vocabulary. The world is different then Java™ will have you believe. In everyday language I talk about objects in terms of things that are not subjects. Subjects are characters --people and non-human animals-- that I attribute personality to, and can identify with. Objects are things that are not subjects. To objectify someone is, by definition, to treat a subject like an object. Heckling and wolf whistling is removing the characteristic of emotions from a subject. It is therefor treating a human being like an object. And, by definition objectifying.
    - brazzy 13y ago
      > Heckling and wolf whistling is removing the characteristic of emotions from a subject. This is the only part of your statement that is not circular definition. And it is an unfounded assertion.
      - runarberg 13y ago
        Can you explain where the definition gets circular so I can fix it, I'm sorry, but I can't find it. 1. An object is something that is not a subject. 2. A subject is a character, something I can identify with, something I can attribute some characteristic to. 3. To objectify is to remove from a subject the characteristics that makes it a subject.
        brazzy 13y ago
        Ok, that's better now. What seemed circular to me was probably just redundancy. The core point is now: what are the characteristics that subjects have and objects don't? You have mentioned personality, identifiability and emotions. I'd add to that, even more central: free will (motivations and goals). Which brings us back to my original question: why/how do wolf whistles remove any of these (which?) from women?
theorique 13y ago
If she presents a Public interface with accessible methods and attributes.

How about you unambiguously define what it means to treat women as objects?

by brazzy 13y ago

How about you unambiguously define what it means to treat women as objects?

That is treat a human being like she does not have emotions. That is treat a human being like something that is an object. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification

brazzy 13y ago
> That is treat a human being like she does not have emotions. Why exactly do wolf whistles fall under this definition? > That is treat a human being like something that is an object. > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/objectification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_definition
- runarberg 13y ago
  First, if you define women under the same criteria as objects, then you need to seriously reconsider your vocabulary. The world is different then Java™ will have you believe. In everyday language I talk about objects in terms of things that are not subjects. Subjects are characters --people and non-human animals-- that I attribute personality to, and can identify with. Objects are things that are not subjects. To objectify someone is, by definition, to treat a subject like an object. Heckling and wolf whistling is removing the characteristic of emotions from a subject. It is therefor treating a human being like an object. And, by definition objectifying.
  - brazzy 13y ago
    > Heckling and wolf whistling is removing the characteristic of emotions from a subject. This is the only part of your statement that is not circular definition. And it is an unfounded assertion.
    - runarberg 13y ago
      Can you explain where the definition gets circular so I can fix it, I'm sorry, but I can't find it. 1. An object is something that is not a subject. 2. A subject is a character, something I can identify with, something I can attribute some characteristic to. 3. To objectify is to remove from a subject the characteristics that makes it a subject.
      - brazzy 13y ago
        Ok, that's better now. What seemed circular to me was probably just redundancy. The core point is now: what are the characteristics that subjects have and objects don't? You have mentioned personality, identifiability and emotions. I'd add to that, even more central: free will (motivations and goals). Which brings us back to my original question: why/how do wolf whistles remove any of these (which?) from women?

theorique 13y ago

If she presents a Public interface with accessible methods and attributes.