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Nothing in your response excuses you throwing race into the mix. Race has nothing to do with it. Economic standing does. Yes, blacks and hispanics suffer disp

by maratd 13y ago

Nothing in your response excuses you throwing race into the mix. Race has nothing to do with it. Economic standing does. Yes, blacks and hispanics suffer disproportionately for the very reasons you cite, but they do not suffer because they are black or hispanic ... they do so because they are disproportionately poor. Rather than focusing on the real issue, insane sentencing for crimes common in poor neighborhoods, you throw race into the mix, which adds nothing and simply pisses people off.

rayiner 13y ago
Blacks and Hispanics suffer disproportionately, when it comes to sentences and everything else, even adjusted for economic status. I'm sorry pointing out that fact pisses some people off. But why the heck do that think blacks are disproportionately poor to begin with, if not for reasons having to do with their race? Its not like we didn't just get done with a couple of centuries of race based slavery and oppression. But no, the attitudes that animated that oppression have simply vanished within my parents lifetime![1] Sociological evolution happening in a historical blink of the eye. Again, I'm not bringing it up randomly. What drives sentences? Fear. You think fear has nothing to do with race? That's utterly naive. Nobody who has even the barest experience with the criminal justice system can come away without the feeling that racial issues pervade how it works. [1] Even less. Sentence inflation in the US started in the 70s and 80s, just a decade after George Wallace proclaimed "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" Sentence inflation happened in the aftermath of desegregation, race riots, and white flight. Even if people are much more open minded today, the legal structures and policing apparatus we still have today were forged then.
- thetruthhurts 13y ago
  Honey, you're bullshitting us and yourself. You're telling me when Black Africans where discovered a few hundred years ago they were a few years away from inventing the Micro-chip and the Space Shuttle until the evil white man oppressed them? Jews were smarter, owned more businesses, & had higher IQ scores than whites before, during, and after the holocaust. Blacks on the other hand were behind since the day they were discovered, throughout their oppression, and still to this day have low IQ scores from before kindergarden and into their adulthood. Racism doesn't destroy you, it's just a push. If you can't get back up on your feet that's your fault. Also Blacks and Hispanics have much higher rates of: crime, teen pregnancy, high school dropouts, low test scores, & broken families. - Having kids with the dumbest hood rat kinda man you could find is their problem. - 1 out of 3 black kids dropping out of high school is their problem. - Almost 80% of blacks not having a father is their problem. - Over 50% of black women having children with multiple men is their problem. - Telling each other they don't act black enough is their problem. - Having a massively high crime rate regardless of wealth or education is their problem. - Having low impulse control and being hyper-sexual and having a shitty family is their problem. I find it fascinating how Whites, Jews, Asians, Indians, Middle Easterners, & Native Americans who are in poverty don't have those problems. Here's a New York Times article on the black/white test score gap. "AFRICAN AMERICANS currently score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and mathematics tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. This gap appears before children enter kindergarten (figure 1-1), and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on most standardized tests. On some tests the typical American black scores below more than 85 percent of whites" You want peoples who were running around naked on the African Savanna and Central American just 400 years ago to have the same achievement and equality and job as Indians, Whites, Jews, Arabs, and Asians who grew up in a society with schools, education, a written language for thousands of years. That's not exactly how evolution and natural selection work. No one is saying that racism doesn't hold people back, but it only holds them back temporarily. Racism and wars and even holocausts don't destroy the group as a whole. Everyone is responsible for themselves, not sitting around begging for table scraps and ranting about how racism is the reason they're behind.
  - swalkergibson 13y ago
    This is perhaps the most profoundly racist thing I have ever encountered on this forum. Your "statistics" lack any verifiable sources and contain so many straw men it is difficult to account for all of them. I honestly cannot believe that I am responding to this...
    - thetruthhurts 13y ago
      Get your lazy ass over to Google and stop expecting everything to be handed to you for inspection. You mean you never read black blogs? You never venture out of your own ass to see other view points? In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary: Atlanta Police Department Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012 (1 year of full data): http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx (yes Blacks were responsible for 100% of the homicides, not even 99% but 100%) Here's the one about 59% of black women have multiple baby daddies: http://rollingout.com/politics/black-women-59-percent-have-multiple-babies%E2%80%99-daddies-study-shows/ http://rollingout.com/politics/black-women-59-percent-have-m... And the one about 1/3 blacks dropping out of highschool is from Michelle Obama: http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA6B75SG0 http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA6B75SG0 And here's Barack Obama begging black men to step up to fatherhood: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/26/4369719/black-children-need-their-fathers.html http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/26/4369719/black-children-... And here's the source showing black men are the least likely to marry: http://www.singleblackmale.org/2013/06/03/whats-in-it-for-me-black-men-avoid-marriage-longer-than-every-other-race/ http://www.singleblackmale.org/2013/06/03/whats-in-it-for-me... Almost 50% of black kids grow up in a house without a second parent: http://www.yourtango.com/201173874/6-things-you-should-know-about-black-marriage/page/2 http://www.yourtango.com/201173874/6-things-you-should-know-... Black singles are the least likely to get married: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-11/news/ct-met-african-american-singles-20110711_1_singles-relationships-census-figures http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-11/news/ct-met-af... and http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/12533717-452/the-real-black-marriage-problem.html http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/12533717-452/the-real-... And here's the one about the massive 72% of black kids born into single parent household: http://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/ http://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-ameri... What else do you need honey? What other form of proof do I need to run out and get for you while you sit in your chair criticizing reality because it doesn't match the fantasy in your head? Did all the movies of slavery warp your mind into thinking blacks are pristine angles who have no flaws while the evil white devil is guilty for everything? Blacks cannot advance if people like keep holding them to low expectations, low standards, excuse them out of responsibility, and keep telling them they're victims. You claim to stand against racism yet people like you with your head in the clouds are the ones who are indirectly helping it continue.

by maratd 13y ago

rayiner 13y ago

Blacks and Hispanics suffer disproportionately, when it comes to sentences and everything else, even adjusted for economic status. I'm sorry pointing out that fact pisses some people off. But why the heck do that think blacks are disproportionately poor to begin with, if not for reasons having to do with their race? Its not like we didn't just get done with a couple of centuries of race based slavery and oppression. But no, the attitudes that animated that oppression have simply vanished within my parents lifetime![1] Sociological evolution happening in a historical blink of the eye. Again, I'm not bringing it up randomly. What drives sentences? Fear. You think fear has nothing to do with race? That's utterly naive. Nobody who has even the barest experience with the criminal justice system can come away without the feeling that racial issues pervade how it works. [1] Even less. Sentence inflation in the US started in the 70s and 80s, just a decade after George Wallace proclaimed "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!" Sentence inflation happened in the aftermath of desegregation, race riots, and white flight. Even if people are much more open minded today, the legal structures and policing apparatus we still have today were forged then.

thetruthhurts 13y ago
Honey, you're bullshitting us and yourself. You're telling me when Black Africans where discovered a few hundred years ago they were a few years away from inventing the Micro-chip and the Space Shuttle until the evil white man oppressed them? Jews were smarter, owned more businesses, & had higher IQ scores than whites before, during, and after the holocaust. Blacks on the other hand were behind since the day they were discovered, throughout their oppression, and still to this day have low IQ scores from before kindergarden and into their adulthood. Racism doesn't destroy you, it's just a push. If you can't get back up on your feet that's your fault. Also Blacks and Hispanics have much higher rates of: crime, teen pregnancy, high school dropouts, low test scores, & broken families. - Having kids with the dumbest hood rat kinda man you could find is their problem. - 1 out of 3 black kids dropping out of high school is their problem. - Almost 80% of blacks not having a father is their problem. - Over 50% of black women having children with multiple men is their problem. - Telling each other they don't act black enough is their problem. - Having a massively high crime rate regardless of wealth or education is their problem. - Having low impulse control and being hyper-sexual and having a shitty family is their problem. I find it fascinating how Whites, Jews, Asians, Indians, Middle Easterners, & Native Americans who are in poverty don't have those problems. Here's a New York Times article on the black/white test score gap. "AFRICAN AMERICANS currently score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and mathematics tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. This gap appears before children enter kindergarten (figure 1-1), and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on most standardized tests. On some tests the typical American black scores below more than 85 percent of whites" You want peoples who were running around naked on the African Savanna and Central American just 400 years ago to have the same achievement and equality and job as Indians, Whites, Jews, Arabs, and Asians who grew up in a society with schools, education, a written language for thousands of years. That's not exactly how evolution and natural selection work. No one is saying that racism doesn't hold people back, but it only holds them back temporarily. Racism and wars and even holocausts don't destroy the group as a whole. Everyone is responsible for themselves, not sitting around begging for table scraps and ranting about how racism is the reason they're behind.
- swalkergibson 13y ago
  This is perhaps the most profoundly racist thing I have ever encountered on this forum. Your "statistics" lack any verifiable sources and contain so many straw men it is difficult to account for all of them. I honestly cannot believe that I am responding to this...
  - thetruthhurts 13y ago
    Get your lazy ass over to Google and stop expecting everything to be handed to you for inspection. You mean you never read black blogs? You never venture out of your own ass to see other view points? In Atlanta, African-Americans are 54 percent of the population, but are responsible for 100 percent of homicide, 95 percent of rape, 94 percent of robbery, 84 percent of aggravated assault, and 93 percent of burglary: Atlanta Police Department Uniform Crime Reports, Apr 2011 to Apr 2012 (1 year of full data): http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx http://www.atlantapd.org/uniformcrimereports.aspx (yes Blacks were responsible for 100% of the homicides, not even 99% but 100%) Here's the one about 59% of black women have multiple baby daddies: http://rollingout.com/politics/black-women-59-percent-have-multiple-babies%E2%80%99-daddies-study-shows/ http://rollingout.com/politics/black-women-59-percent-have-m... And the one about 1/3 blacks dropping out of highschool is from Michelle Obama: http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA6B75SG0 http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA6B75SG0 And here's Barack Obama begging black men to step up to fatherhood: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/26/4369719/black-children-need-their-fathers.html http://www.kansascity.com/2013/07/26/4369719/black-children-... And here's the source showing black men are the least likely to marry: http://www.singleblackmale.org/2013/06/03/whats-in-it-for-me-black-men-avoid-marriage-longer-than-every-other-race/ http://www.singleblackmale.org/2013/06/03/whats-in-it-for-me... Almost 50% of black kids grow up in a house without a second parent: http://www.yourtango.com/201173874/6-things-you-should-know-about-black-marriage/page/2 http://www.yourtango.com/201173874/6-things-you-should-know-... Black singles are the least likely to get married: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-11/news/ct-met-african-american-singles-20110711_1_singles-relationships-census-figures http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-11/news/ct-met-af... and http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/12533717-452/the-real-black-marriage-problem.html http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/12533717-452/the-real-... And here's the one about the massive 72% of black kids born into single parent household: http://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-american/ http://newsone.com/1195075/children-single-parents-u-s-ameri... What else do you need honey? What other form of proof do I need to run out and get for you while you sit in your chair criticizing reality because it doesn't match the fantasy in your head? Did all the movies of slavery warp your mind into thinking blacks are pristine angles who have no flaws while the evil white devil is guilty for everything? Blacks cannot advance if people like keep holding them to low expectations, low standards, excuse them out of responsibility, and keep telling them they're victims. You claim to stand against racism yet people like you with your head in the clouds are the ones who are indirectly helping it continue.