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Bitcoin Crashing

88 points by mmaunder 13y ago

Articulate 13y ago
Most people aren't willing to put a day and a price on their predictions. I will look forward to another post in two days of you either celebrating cause you spotted something, or explaining why your prediction didn't pan out.
- mmaunder 13y ago
  Will do. BTC-e has already crashed down from $930 to $750 in the last 1.5 hours and volume is spiking there too. (it tends to be cheaper to buy BTC because of greater risk)
  - legutierr 13y ago
    Why is BTC-e greater risk?
    - mmaunder 13y ago
      Because it's based in Bulgaria and no one knows who actually owns it. But it's good software and one of the few places you can trade other currencies like Feathercoin and Litecoin with plenty of liquidity.
      - mmaunder 13y ago
        ...and funny you ask because a commenter just posted on my blog that Sheep Market Place was scammed out of $40 million in BTC which is a possible cause of all the selling: http://www.techienews.co.uk/973470/silk-road-like-sheep-marketplace-scams-users-39k-bitcoins-worth-40-million-stolen/ http://www.techienews.co.uk/973470/silk-road-like-sheep-mark...
        judk 13y ago
        If this theory is true, it shows that BTC lacks book depth and the current price is just speculation on the edges, not a true price for the entire stock of BTC. (That is, if a large portion of BTC users wanted to get out of BTC, they couldn't realize the nominal market price.)
      - pakitan 13y ago
        Where does the Bulgaria thing come from? BTC-E is clearly a russian site.
        vldx 13y ago
        Not sure what is your source, but BTC-E says the following: "A cryptocurrency exchange based in Bulgaria where users can trade Bitcoins, Litecoins, and Namecoins, for Dollars, Euros and Rubles."
        pakitan 13y ago
        Thanks, I found it now. Though, they speak Russian and support predominantly Russian payment methods while supporting zero Bulgarian payment methods so either they are lying or the Bulgarian company is just a shell.
        behold- 13y ago
        What a stupid comment. So if say Blackberry is selling mainly to US and European customers, it's clearly just a Canadian shell ...
        pakitan 13y ago
        Interesting analogy. A publicly traded company with transparent financials and corporate hierarchy vs. a web site that has an unknown company behind it, run by anonymous CEO.
        behold- 13y ago
        Yeah sure, you're right. The CEO is probably an alien. There is no way a Bulgarian company could see the majority of it's customers are from Russia and adapt by offering convenient payment methods. Never mind that Russia is the biggest country in Europe and it's heavily policing outgoing bank transfers.
  - to3m 13y ago
    I decided to buy some as it fell. In the fifteen seconds it took to press F5, enter bid (of $25 below prevailing price) and click OK, the price had fallen by $70. So I think for the first time ever I ended up paying less than my offer. It ended up at $690, about 15-20 minutes ago I think. Now? It's $840 again. (My investment in bitcoin is turning out quite well, but I'm actually quite glad I didn't spend all that much in the first place.)
  - socialist_coder 13y ago
    I used BTC-e to sell 25 bitcoins and transferred the money into my EU bank account. It went through without a hitch, and I had the money in my bank account in 5 days. Compare that to Mt Gox who would not accept my US identification + German residence & bank account at all, and even if they did it takes up to 6 weeks to get your money now. BTC-e is legit. BTC-e also doesn't require nearly as much ID verification.
- justincormack 13y ago
  Indeed, because they know nothing. If they did it would be as pointless as this article.
shocks 13y ago
Bitcoin Wisdom[1] is a great chart to watch for those interested. Very detailed. (I am not affiliated with BW in any way.) 1: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/ http://bitcoinwisdom.com/
- frankydp 13y ago
  This dip looks like a dump and pump.
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  - knowitall 13y ago
    How so? As a noob in trading, I find it fun to ponder all the psychological factors. People buying fuels mania leading to more people buying fueling more mania. Until some turining point when too many people start to sell fueling a depression making more people sell fueling more of a depression... Obviously people with enough money can try to artificial trigger those processes, but what are the conditions for that to work? Maybe the overall trade volume needs to be small enough? How does an artificially triggered cycle look different from a "normal" cycle? I suspect going from 100$/BTC to 1000$/BTC as a "pump and dump" would have required a lot of money for pumping?
    - frankydp 13y ago
      The candlesticks on the sell where extremely sharp, meaning it could be a naturally occuring sell of a huge account, but the very similar volume of the candle at the bottom of the dip lead me to believe they are related. And now the pack mentality has taken over and the volume is racing up.
      - waterlesscloud 13y ago
        Having watched in real time, that's what I was saying as it happened. I think you're exactly right.
      - 13y ago
redschell 13y ago
Kevin Rose, Digg founder and VC, just made a post about Bitcoin's fall on /r/bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rutkt/bitcoin_is_falling_again_here_is_why_it_really/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rutkt/bitcoin_is_f...
- interstitial 13y ago
  Funny the Digg founder has to post to reddit.
  - skeletonjelly 13y ago
    Digg actually has more content and less shitty image macros these days. Oh how I pine
    - interstitial 13y ago
      Reddit is actually selling brain-rot, not content. So I agree.
- xSwag 13y ago
  He sold at $300, I bet he regrets that decision. https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/398865551730036736 https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/398865551730036736
  - jlgaddis 13y ago
    I sold at $30 two and a half years ago. I regret it.
spdy 13y ago
I wish i would know more about algorithmic trading. On all these markets a lot of bots are fighting right now on various strategies. And the price jumps are insane right now going from 850-930$
- Houshalter 13y ago
  There are bitcoin trading bots? That sounds interesting. How would that even work, and how would you set one up?
  - behold- 13y ago
    Very simple - Bitstamp, MtGox, BTC have trading APIs. I had a bot doing cross-exchange trading a few months ago, but than MtGox made the withdraws extremely slow and Bitcoins price started raising exponentially.
- heynk 13y ago
  Shameless plug: I'm creating a course about building your own bitcoin arbitrage bot. https://uludum.org/funds/2 https://uludum.org/funds/2
andrewljohnson 13y ago
I wonder when BitCoin will stop being tech news and start being financial news. That will be a watershed.
- nayefc 13y ago
  It won't. :)
- JeremyMorgan 13y ago
  I don't think anyone doubts that possibility at this point.
- astrofinch 13y ago
  It's been financial news for a while: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsj.com+bitcoin https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsj.com+bitcoin
- Keyframe 13y ago
  Once Bitcoin starts moving with fundamentals. I don't think it will happen soon, or at all though.
JeremyMorgan 13y ago
This is nowhere near the end for this currency, but I'm sure the speculation is going to make for a wild ride the next couple days.
- interstitial 13y ago
  'currency' and speculation never go well together. You really only get one or the other.
broostoryco 13y ago
I am so glad my btc are in cold storage and i cant day trade them like an idiot
awhitty 13y ago
I am honestly surprised this link is on the front page of HN right now. It reminds me of what the newest tab on r/bitcoin looked like two weeks ago: http://imgur.com/C2fncy2 http://imgur.com/C2fncy2
wcummings 13y ago
A few hours != a trend, this is ridiculous speculation.
- to3m 13y ago
  Not at all! This is just what in the olden days they would have called "Internet Time".
pcurve 13y ago
The big crash will coincide with the next equity market correction. The recent run-up in Bitcoin is a reflection of people's irrational risk appetite. It will be a chain reaction.
nabla9 13y ago
If Bitcoin drops to around $200, it's just following long term exponential growth trend with of booms and corrections. If Bitcoin drops much below $100 we can talk about crash.
yuvadam 13y ago
How is this post different from any other thread on the bitcointalk.org speculation forum[1]? [1] - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0
Lerc 13y ago
There were many cries of "It's Crashing!" a week or two ago when it mtGox hit $1000 and then started falling. It stabilised around $800 before climbing up again. This may be the same, or it might not. I can't tell, and probably neither can you. What you can be assured of is those who scream "It's a Crash!" at the first sign of a drop have generally been wrong more often than right. Some will be right when it does crash, but how much of that is luck, wisdom, or the fact that they got it right by calling it enough times that they were bound to hit the mark when it did happen.
- phaed 13y ago
  Looks like it's exactly the same.
theboss 13y ago
I have a question. Is BTC inherently crash resistant right now? Due to the difficulties of withdrawing large amounts of money at once from BTC, wouldn't that make the currency pretty resistant to a crash?
- wmf 13y ago
  No. Lack of liquidity makes it more prone to crashing and the friction between the Bitcoin world and the real financial system makes it slow for people to add liquidity (for example, exchanges cannot receive wire transfers on the weekend).
- gst 13y ago
  Which difficulties? When you sell on coinbase they ACH you your dollars within 2 business days. The problems you're talking about only affect a single exchange (MtGox) out of many.
jdkuepper 13y ago
> Then, as has happened before, it will climb back up to $1200 and beyond, probably up to somewhere between $4K and $10K before the next big crash. If you do want to speculate on crypto currencies, wait a day or three and you’re about to get a great deal on Bitcoin. These kind of statements are a red flag for me. The majority of the people trading bitcoins seem to be interested in capital appreciation or alternative assets (e.g. Chinese stashing assets), rather than using it as a currency for transactions. Currencies are embraced for their stability and predictability... that's why the USD is a reserve currency for the rest of the world. The Economist sums some of this up in their recent article: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21590901-it-looks-overvalued-even-if-digital-currency-crashes-others-will-follow-bitcoin http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21590901-it-looks-over...
elitist_morons 13y ago
It is retarded that this has been upvoted to the main page. I am disappointed in all of you.
- lowkeykiwi 13y ago
  Why not only disappointed in the ones who upvoted it?
- phaed 13y ago
  Here here.
mililani 13y ago
The biggest problem with Bitcoin is the lack of liquidity, and this is why we're always going to see massive price fluctuations with this currency. And, until the liquidity problem is fixed, no way in hell is this going to ever be close to the reserve currency. Who wants to own an asset which prices may fall precipitously if you decide to sell all of your holdings at once?
- orclev 13y ago
  You mean like stocks, bonds, or any other commodity in existence? Yeah, the value is fairly unstable currently, largely because the current valuation is being driven almost entirely by speculation, however that is set to change. There's already a lot of interest being shown by various retailers in accepting bitcoin as a form of payment. Currently as an actual currency you can use to buy stuff (as opposed to a commodity being traded) it's fairly rare, but as it becomes increasingly common you should see the price fluctuations start to damp down as more and more real world goods starting having their values tied to the value of the currency. I'm definitely shocked by the rapid climb in price we've seen recently. It's unclear if this is a short term bubble driven by rampant speculation and renewed media interest, or if this represents the new "normal" and with the new interest the currency was effectively massively under-valued before now. It's even possible that if there's significant interest shown by some major players (say if for instance amazon and facebook signed on to allow payments/money transfers via bitcoin) we might see yet another massive upward valuation of the currency.
Keyframe 13y ago
" If you’ve been watching BTC price for a while you’ll recognize this as just another profit taking crash after a big runup." aka correction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_trend#Secondary_market_trend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_trend#Secondary_market_t... I wouldn't touch BTC yet in any form or shape, but I really wish for people diving into this from an investment point to learn fundamentals of technical analysis, fundamental analysis (not all that applicable for BTC) and especially risk management. Folks, don't get burned please. You don't have to.
- lifeisstillgood 13y ago
  I'm interested only in the uses of bitcoin after this settles down but I would be interested in your take on what the fundamentals of investing are (serious question really)
  - Keyframe 13y ago
    I'm not sure if you're asking about fundamental analysis or investment fundamentals in general? In a nutshell: - Technical analysis are technical indicators over price, such as charts and overlays over those prices which would in theory provide you with an insight where price will go based on past performance/situations by only looking at the price action. Namely, charts and patterns as well as trends is all you need. Though there is more. Whether you 'believe' in it or not, turns out it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because lots of people 'believe' in it, so it's a good mechanism to rely on in general. - Fundamental analysis is where talk, politics and outside factors (earthquakes, scandals, stuff) influence price action. Some people monitor news and trade based on that, some do it only by TA (technical analysis), smart ones use both. - Risk management is how you calculate how much you will trade, how much you will take out once your trade goal is reached, or how much you will lose if your position is losing - and where you will take the loss. In my opinion this is the most important part of investing in anything. Good rule in trading is to make positions in such a way that they allow you at least 2:1 ratio of profit. Meaning that for each win you'd have to incur two losses to wipe that win out. Those three things are the pillars of investment fundamentals. In my opinion, good defensive risk management strategy is over half the battle, if not more.
muyuu 13y ago
Seriously how does this nonsense get this high on HN while perfectly good articles from Hackaday get penalised into oblivion?
eli_gottlieb 13y ago
Sweet! I was hoping for a nice quick crash so I could buy at an opportune time.
e1l1 13y ago
What stops another crypto currency from replacing bit coin?
laichzeit0 13y ago
Well bud. Congrats on demonstrating to the world that your "analysis" was fucking retarded.

88 points by mmaunder 13y ago

Most people aren't willing to put a day and a price on their predictions. I will look forward to another post in two days of you either celebrating cause you spotted something, or explaining why your prediction didn't pan out.

mmaunder 13y ago
Will do. BTC-e has already crashed down from $930 to $750 in the last 1.5 hours and volume is spiking there too. (it tends to be cheaper to buy BTC because of greater risk)
- legutierr 13y ago
  Why is BTC-e greater risk?
  - mmaunder 13y ago
    Because it's based in Bulgaria and no one knows who actually owns it. But it's good software and one of the few places you can trade other currencies like Feathercoin and Litecoin with plenty of liquidity.
    - mmaunder 13y ago
      ...and funny you ask because a commenter just posted on my blog that Sheep Market Place was scammed out of $40 million in BTC which is a possible cause of all the selling: http://www.techienews.co.uk/973470/silk-road-like-sheep-marketplace-scams-users-39k-bitcoins-worth-40-million-stolen/ http://www.techienews.co.uk/973470/silk-road-like-sheep-mark...
      - judk 13y ago
        If this theory is true, it shows that BTC lacks book depth and the current price is just speculation on the edges, not a true price for the entire stock of BTC. (That is, if a large portion of BTC users wanted to get out of BTC, they couldn't realize the nominal market price.)
    - pakitan 13y ago
      Where does the Bulgaria thing come from? BTC-E is clearly a russian site.
      - vldx 13y ago
        Not sure what is your source, but BTC-E says the following: "A cryptocurrency exchange based in Bulgaria where users can trade Bitcoins, Litecoins, and Namecoins, for Dollars, Euros and Rubles."
        pakitan 13y ago
        Thanks, I found it now. Though, they speak Russian and support predominantly Russian payment methods while supporting zero Bulgarian payment methods so either they are lying or the Bulgarian company is just a shell.
        behold- 13y ago
        What a stupid comment. So if say Blackberry is selling mainly to US and European customers, it's clearly just a Canadian shell ...
        pakitan 13y ago
        Interesting analogy. A publicly traded company with transparent financials and corporate hierarchy vs. a web site that has an unknown company behind it, run by anonymous CEO.
        behold- 13y ago
        Yeah sure, you're right. The CEO is probably an alien. There is no way a Bulgarian company could see the majority of it's customers are from Russia and adapt by offering convenient payment methods. Never mind that Russia is the biggest country in Europe and it's heavily policing outgoing bank transfers.
- to3m 13y ago
  I decided to buy some as it fell. In the fifteen seconds it took to press F5, enter bid (of $25 below prevailing price) and click OK, the price had fallen by $70. So I think for the first time ever I ended up paying less than my offer. It ended up at $690, about 15-20 minutes ago I think. Now? It's $840 again. (My investment in bitcoin is turning out quite well, but I'm actually quite glad I didn't spend all that much in the first place.)
- socialist_coder 13y ago
  I used BTC-e to sell 25 bitcoins and transferred the money into my EU bank account. It went through without a hitch, and I had the money in my bank account in 5 days. Compare that to Mt Gox who would not accept my US identification + German residence & bank account at all, and even if they did it takes up to 6 weeks to get your money now. BTC-e is legit. BTC-e also doesn't require nearly as much ID verification.
justincormack 13y ago
Indeed, because they know nothing. If they did it would be as pointless as this article.

shocks 13y ago

Bitcoin Wisdom[1] is a great chart to watch for those interested. Very detailed. (I am not affiliated with BW in any way.) 1: http://bitcoinwisdom.com/ http://bitcoinwisdom.com/

frankydp 13y ago
This dip looks like a dump and pump.
- deleted 13y ago
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- knowitall 13y ago
  How so? As a noob in trading, I find it fun to ponder all the psychological factors. People buying fuels mania leading to more people buying fueling more mania. Until some turining point when too many people start to sell fueling a depression making more people sell fueling more of a depression... Obviously people with enough money can try to artificial trigger those processes, but what are the conditions for that to work? Maybe the overall trade volume needs to be small enough? How does an artificially triggered cycle look different from a "normal" cycle? I suspect going from 100$/BTC to 1000$/BTC as a "pump and dump" would have required a lot of money for pumping?
  - frankydp 13y ago
    The candlesticks on the sell where extremely sharp, meaning it could be a naturally occuring sell of a huge account, but the very similar volume of the candle at the bottom of the dip lead me to believe they are related. And now the pack mentality has taken over and the volume is racing up.
    - waterlesscloud 13y ago
      Having watched in real time, that's what I was saying as it happened. I think you're exactly right.
    - 13y ago

redschell 13y ago

Kevin Rose, Digg founder and VC, just made a post about Bitcoin's fall on /r/bitcoin: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rutkt/bitcoin_is_falling_again_here_is_why_it_really/ http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1rutkt/bitcoin_is_f...

interstitial 13y ago
Funny the Digg founder has to post to reddit.
- skeletonjelly 13y ago
  Digg actually has more content and less shitty image macros these days. Oh how I pine
  - interstitial 13y ago
    Reddit is actually selling brain-rot, not content. So I agree.
xSwag 13y ago
He sold at $300, I bet he regrets that decision. https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/398865551730036736 https://twitter.com/kevinrose/status/398865551730036736
- jlgaddis 13y ago
  I sold at $30 two and a half years ago. I regret it.

spdy 13y ago

I wish i would know more about algorithmic trading. On all these markets a lot of bots are fighting right now on various strategies. And the price jumps are insane right now going from 850-930$

Houshalter 13y ago
There are bitcoin trading bots? That sounds interesting. How would that even work, and how would you set one up?
- behold- 13y ago
  Very simple - Bitstamp, MtGox, BTC have trading APIs. I had a bot doing cross-exchange trading a few months ago, but than MtGox made the withdraws extremely slow and Bitcoins price started raising exponentially.
heynk 13y ago
Shameless plug: I'm creating a course about building your own bitcoin arbitrage bot. https://uludum.org/funds/2 https://uludum.org/funds/2

andrewljohnson 13y ago

I wonder when BitCoin will stop being tech news and start being financial news. That will be a watershed.

nayefc 13y ago
It won't. :)
JeremyMorgan 13y ago
I don't think anyone doubts that possibility at this point.
astrofinch 13y ago
It's been financial news for a while: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsj.com+bitcoin https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awsj.com+bitcoin
Keyframe 13y ago
Once Bitcoin starts moving with fundamentals. I don't think it will happen soon, or at all though.

JeremyMorgan 13y ago

This is nowhere near the end for this currency, but I'm sure the speculation is going to make for a wild ride the next couple days.

interstitial 13y ago
'currency' and speculation never go well together. You really only get one or the other.

broostoryco 13y ago

I am so glad my btc are in cold storage and i cant day trade them like an idiot

awhitty 13y ago

I am honestly surprised this link is on the front page of HN right now. It reminds me of what the newest tab on r/bitcoin looked like two weeks ago: http://imgur.com/C2fncy2 http://imgur.com/C2fncy2

wcummings 13y ago

A few hours != a trend, this is ridiculous speculation.

to3m 13y ago
Not at all! This is just what in the olden days they would have called "Internet Time".

pcurve 13y ago

The big crash will coincide with the next equity market correction. The recent run-up in Bitcoin is a reflection of people's irrational risk appetite. It will be a chain reaction.

nabla9 13y ago

If Bitcoin drops to around $200, it's just following long term exponential growth trend with of booms and corrections. If Bitcoin drops much below $100 we can talk about crash.

yuvadam 13y ago

How is this post different from any other thread on the bitcointalk.org speculation forum[1]? [1] - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=57.0

Lerc 13y ago

There were many cries of "It's Crashing!" a week or two ago when it mtGox hit $1000 and then started falling. It stabilised around $800 before climbing up again. This may be the same, or it might not. I can't tell, and probably neither can you. What you can be assured of is those who scream "It's a Crash!" at the first sign of a drop have generally been wrong more often than right. Some will be right when it does crash, but how much of that is luck, wisdom, or the fact that they got it right by calling it enough times that they were bound to hit the mark when it did happen.

phaed 13y ago
Looks like it's exactly the same.

theboss 13y ago

I have a question. Is BTC inherently crash resistant right now? Due to the difficulties of withdrawing large amounts of money at once from BTC, wouldn't that make the currency pretty resistant to a crash?

wmf 13y ago
No. Lack of liquidity makes it more prone to crashing and the friction between the Bitcoin world and the real financial system makes it slow for people to add liquidity (for example, exchanges cannot receive wire transfers on the weekend).
gst 13y ago
Which difficulties? When you sell on coinbase they ACH you your dollars within 2 business days. The problems you're talking about only affect a single exchange (MtGox) out of many.

jdkuepper 13y ago

> Then, as has happened before, it will climb back up to $1200 and beyond, probably up to somewhere between $4K and $10K before the next big crash. If you do want to speculate on crypto currencies, wait a day or three and you’re about to get a great deal on Bitcoin. These kind of statements are a red flag for me. The majority of the people trading bitcoins seem to be interested in capital appreciation or alternative assets (e.g. Chinese stashing assets), rather than using it as a currency for transactions. Currencies are embraced for their stability and predictability... that's why the USD is a reserve currency for the rest of the world. The Economist sums some of this up in their recent article: http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21590901-it-looks-overvalued-even-if-digital-currency-crashes-others-will-follow-bitcoin http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21590901-it-looks-over...

elitist_morons 13y ago

It is retarded that this has been upvoted to the main page. I am disappointed in all of you.

lowkeykiwi 13y ago
Why not only disappointed in the ones who upvoted it?
phaed 13y ago
Here here.

mililani 13y ago

The biggest problem with Bitcoin is the lack of liquidity, and this is why we're always going to see massive price fluctuations with this currency. And, until the liquidity problem is fixed, no way in hell is this going to ever be close to the reserve currency. Who wants to own an asset which prices may fall precipitously if you decide to sell all of your holdings at once?

orclev 13y ago
You mean like stocks, bonds, or any other commodity in existence? Yeah, the value is fairly unstable currently, largely because the current valuation is being driven almost entirely by speculation, however that is set to change. There's already a lot of interest being shown by various retailers in accepting bitcoin as a form of payment. Currently as an actual currency you can use to buy stuff (as opposed to a commodity being traded) it's fairly rare, but as it becomes increasingly common you should see the price fluctuations start to damp down as more and more real world goods starting having their values tied to the value of the currency. I'm definitely shocked by the rapid climb in price we've seen recently. It's unclear if this is a short term bubble driven by rampant speculation and renewed media interest, or if this represents the new "normal" and with the new interest the currency was effectively massively under-valued before now. It's even possible that if there's significant interest shown by some major players (say if for instance amazon and facebook signed on to allow payments/money transfers via bitcoin) we might see yet another massive upward valuation of the currency.

Keyframe 13y ago

" If you’ve been watching BTC price for a while you’ll recognize this as just another profit taking crash after a big runup." aka correction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_trend#Secondary_market_trend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_trend#Secondary_market_t... I wouldn't touch BTC yet in any form or shape, but I really wish for people diving into this from an investment point to learn fundamentals of technical analysis, fundamental analysis (not all that applicable for BTC) and especially risk management. Folks, don't get burned please. You don't have to.

lifeisstillgood 13y ago
I'm interested only in the uses of bitcoin after this settles down but I would be interested in your take on what the fundamentals of investing are (serious question really)
- Keyframe 13y ago
  I'm not sure if you're asking about fundamental analysis or investment fundamentals in general? In a nutshell: - Technical analysis are technical indicators over price, such as charts and overlays over those prices which would in theory provide you with an insight where price will go based on past performance/situations by only looking at the price action. Namely, charts and patterns as well as trends is all you need. Though there is more. Whether you 'believe' in it or not, turns out it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because lots of people 'believe' in it, so it's a good mechanism to rely on in general. - Fundamental analysis is where talk, politics and outside factors (earthquakes, scandals, stuff) influence price action. Some people monitor news and trade based on that, some do it only by TA (technical analysis), smart ones use both. - Risk management is how you calculate how much you will trade, how much you will take out once your trade goal is reached, or how much you will lose if your position is losing - and where you will take the loss. In my opinion this is the most important part of investing in anything. Good rule in trading is to make positions in such a way that they allow you at least 2:1 ratio of profit. Meaning that for each win you'd have to incur two losses to wipe that win out. Those three things are the pillars of investment fundamentals. In my opinion, good defensive risk management strategy is over half the battle, if not more.

muyuu 13y ago

Seriously how does this nonsense get this high on HN while perfectly good articles from Hackaday get penalised into oblivion?

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

Sweet! I was hoping for a nice quick crash so I could buy at an opportune time.

e1l1 13y ago

What stops another crypto currency from replacing bit coin?

laichzeit0 13y ago

Well bud. Congrats on demonstrating to the world that your "analysis" was fucking retarded.