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If Satoshi Nakamoto has over 1,000,000 BTC, why doesn't he just sell it now?

13 points by joshmn 13y ago

Even if he asked for a stupid $500 per 1 BTC, that'd still be a $500,000,000 payday.

chewxy 13y ago
Or really, Satoshi's laptop died and he couldn't be bothered anymore about Bitcoin
francoismathieu 13y ago
It would be easy to sell 1,000,000 BTC without anyone noticing. It's only 100 BTC per minute for a week.
- michaeldhopkins 13y ago
  The combined 30 day volume of the five exchanges on the homepage of http://bitcoincharts.com/ http://bitcoincharts.com/ is about 140 bitcoins per minute. Adding 100 per minute all on the sell side would be a 70% increase in volume, and there would not be a corresponding buy interest added until the price of bitcoin fell considerably. This would reduce the value of the bitcoins.
andrewmunsell 13y ago
You could only sell it if someone was willing to buy it all-- there's no exchange that would buy $500,000,000 or more worth of Bitcoin at once. Alternatively, he could slowly sell it off over time, but there's no way anyone could sell that much at once. Of course, he very well could be slowly selling it off right now.
NicoJuicy 13y ago
Because then his system would crash. His bitcoins are currently something like gold backing USD at the moment. If he sells his bitcoins now, the entire market will going to fail, because people will loose faith. He could just sell 100 bitcoins from time to time and still earn a lot of money from it.
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  - 001sky 13y ago
    because of the huge demand You mean liquidity?
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poissonpie 13y ago
maybe he doesn't need/want the money in a "bona-fide" currency?
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junto 13y ago
Occam's Razor: For some reason he can't sell them. We just don't know what those reasons are. Lots of people can speculate, but the reality is that we don't know. The ones I've heard mentioned are: 1. He is dead 2. He cannot sell them without risking his anonymity 3. He lost them (machine crash / re-install) 4. He treated the early mined coins as test data and deleted them 5. If Satoshi starts dumping, then the market will definitely crash. If the public believe that Satoshi has lost faith in BTC then everyone is going to want to sell too. It is like putting a gun to the head of his own child and pulling the trigger. Whether or not he really has 1,000,000 BTC is also debatable I believe. Often people quote this figure as the bulk of the early coins that were mined, and make the assumption that Satoshi was the only one mining. Nobody really knows which addresses Satoshi really owns. It is all "educated" guesswork.
taternuts 13y ago
I think it might be because satoshi cares more about changing the world than he/she does about cashing out - doing so before bitcoin has a stronger/stabler adoption might ruin the whole thing. My guess is satoshi's already making decent money somewhere being smart and is just sitting back with a smile watching the whole thing take off
f3llowtraveler 13y ago
Because those coins are all worth a million dollars each -- what fool would sell them for $700?
- krapp 13y ago
  A fool who realizes no one's going to pay what they're "worth"?
  - f3llowtraveler 13y ago
    The price of Bitcoin in January was $13 -- no one was willing to pay more than $20 for a Bitcoin back then. But BTC is trading for over $900 now... and plenty of people are paying. What you do not understand is that Bitcoin is a new technology, that gives us capabilities that we never had before. Just like other powerful new technologies, it will slowly eat its way through every aspect of society until it has changed the world and everyone's life. The same as happened with electricity, with the computer, with the Internet itself. If you want to know where Bitcoin is going, take a look at the adoptions of other important technologies: http://www.uversity.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Communication-Technology-Adoption-Peter-Leyden.png http://www.uversity.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Comm...

13 points by joshmn 13y ago

Even if he asked for a stupid $500 per 1 BTC, that'd still be a $500,000,000 payday.

chewxy 13y ago

Or really, Satoshi's laptop died and he couldn't be bothered anymore about Bitcoin

francoismathieu 13y ago

It would be easy to sell 1,000,000 BTC without anyone noticing. It's only 100 BTC per minute for a week.

michaeldhopkins 13y ago
The combined 30 day volume of the five exchanges on the homepage of http://bitcoincharts.com/ http://bitcoincharts.com/ is about 140 bitcoins per minute. Adding 100 per minute all on the sell side would be a 70% increase in volume, and there would not be a corresponding buy interest added until the price of bitcoin fell considerably. This would reduce the value of the bitcoins.

andrewmunsell 13y ago

You could only sell it if someone was willing to buy it all-- there's no exchange that would buy $500,000,000 or more worth of Bitcoin at once. Alternatively, he could slowly sell it off over time, but there's no way anyone could sell that much at once. Of course, he very well could be slowly selling it off right now.

NicoJuicy 13y ago

Because then his system would crash. His bitcoins are currently something like gold backing USD at the moment. If he sells his bitcoins now, the entire market will going to fail, because people will loose faith. He could just sell 100 bitcoins from time to time and still earn a lot of money from it.

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- 001sky 13y ago
  because of the huge demand You mean liquidity?
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poissonpie 13y ago

maybe he doesn't need/want the money in a "bona-fide" currency?

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junto 13y ago

Occam's Razor: For some reason he can't sell them. We just don't know what those reasons are. Lots of people can speculate, but the reality is that we don't know. The ones I've heard mentioned are: 1. He is dead 2. He cannot sell them without risking his anonymity 3. He lost them (machine crash / re-install) 4. He treated the early mined coins as test data and deleted them 5. If Satoshi starts dumping, then the market will definitely crash. If the public believe that Satoshi has lost faith in BTC then everyone is going to want to sell too. It is like putting a gun to the head of his own child and pulling the trigger. Whether or not he really has 1,000,000 BTC is also debatable I believe. Often people quote this figure as the bulk of the early coins that were mined, and make the assumption that Satoshi was the only one mining. Nobody really knows which addresses Satoshi really owns. It is all "educated" guesswork.

taternuts 13y ago

I think it might be because satoshi cares more about changing the world than he/she does about cashing out - doing so before bitcoin has a stronger/stabler adoption might ruin the whole thing. My guess is satoshi's already making decent money somewhere being smart and is just sitting back with a smile watching the whole thing take off

f3llowtraveler 13y ago

Because those coins are all worth a million dollars each -- what fool would sell them for $700?

krapp 13y ago
A fool who realizes no one's going to pay what they're "worth"?
- f3llowtraveler 13y ago
  The price of Bitcoin in January was $13 -- no one was willing to pay more than $20 for a Bitcoin back then. But BTC is trading for over $900 now... and plenty of people are paying. What you do not understand is that Bitcoin is a new technology, that gives us capabilities that we never had before. Just like other powerful new technologies, it will slowly eat its way through every aspect of society until it has changed the world and everyone's life. The same as happened with electricity, with the computer, with the Internet itself. If you want to know where Bitcoin is going, take a look at the adoptions of other important technologies: http://www.uversity.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Communication-Technology-Adoption-Peter-Leyden.png http://www.uversity.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Comm...