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what? People talking in public places have privacy?

claudius 13y ago
Of course they do, just as people walking around in public can have a sensible expectation of not being filmed or photographed randomly.
- nmcfarl 13y ago
  Interestingly, (to me) this is not an expectation I share, nor is it one I expected others to have. I assume my actions in public are captured by any number of shop cams, police cams, and tourist videos/photos and just straight iPhones being used for whatever. I'll note, that unlike others I this conversation have speculated, I'm not young, but I do live in a city - Seattle.
parallelist 13y ago
I’m not sure if you are being ironic but just in case you aren’t: Imagine you’re in a store, waiting at the checkout, having a conversation with your SO that has revealed some key difference of opinion on a topic that affects your relationship. You’re having the conversation in a public place not because the subject matter is public but because that’s where you happen to be at the time and the conversation is important to you and your SO. Now imagine the person who has been standing behind you in line doing something on their phone interrupts you and says "Your conversation is hilarious, I’m live tweeting it as you speak, please carry on" with a big grin on their face. How would you feel about that?
- chromanoid 13y ago
  Thank you for the example, it's hard to understand that so many people cannot come up with such scenarios. They are proving a total lack of empathy.
- mikeash 13y ago
  I would feel extremely embarrassed and stupid at having carried out such a private conversation in a place where people could obviously overhear me, and would take care not to do so again.
  - chromanoid 13y ago
    Of course, it can be embarrassing, but sometimes you are too emotional to not carry it out instantly. This display of humanity should not be frowned upon, but sympathetically ignored. If a real mental breakdown occurs, we should even get involved and help each other instead of posting it on twitter. Your victim blaming doesn't make it right, it just shows a lack of empathy.
    - mikeash 13y ago
      Are you calling the woman abusing a flight attendant and the couple loudly breaking up on a rooftop "victims", or are you just referring to the more mundane events?
      - chromanoid 13y ago
        Of course they are victims. Only because somebody does something, which might be annoying or in case of Diane offending (for the flight personnel), does not mean they become outlawed and can be rightfully, publicly and globally punished for their missteps by anyone who likes to do so. I think you only see black and white instead of the whole spectrum of the human condition.
        mikeash 13y ago
        I really don't get it, so: victims of what? I'm guessing the answer is something like "public shaming", in which case this does not make sense to me. It's like saying that a person who hits himself on the thumb with a hammer is a victim of assault and battery. They caused their own public shaming when they made a public spectacle of themselves. The tweeters just magnified it. It would have happened even without them.
- aaronem 13y ago
  I actually knew a guy who used to do exactly that, back before he got his nose broken. I was curious about that; he was awfully vague about the circumstances, but allowed as how it'd happened in a Safeway checkstand line. As may be, the experience did wonders for his circumspection and consideration of others. Didn't help him much, of course, this being the same fellow who used to say that enforcing other people's marriage vows was no concern of his, which worked great for him right up until he got shot. Quite a funeral, that was -- I never in my life saw so many flower arrangements around a casket, or so few with cards attached.

Of course they do, just as people walking around in public can have a sensible expectation of not being filmed or photographed randomly.

nmcfarl 13y ago
Interestingly, (to me) this is not an expectation I share, nor is it one I expected others to have. I assume my actions in public are captured by any number of shop cams, police cams, and tourist videos/photos and just straight iPhones being used for whatever. I'll note, that unlike others I this conversation have speculated, I'm not young, but I do live in a city - Seattle.

parallelist 13y ago

I’m not sure if you are being ironic but just in case you aren’t: Imagine you’re in a store, waiting at the checkout, having a conversation with your SO that has revealed some key difference of opinion on a topic that affects your relationship. You’re having the conversation in a public place not because the subject matter is public but because that’s where you happen to be at the time and the conversation is important to you and your SO. Now imagine the person who has been standing behind you in line doing something on their phone interrupts you and says "Your conversation is hilarious, I’m live tweeting it as you speak, please carry on" with a big grin on their face. How would you feel about that?

chromanoid 13y ago
Thank you for the example, it's hard to understand that so many people cannot come up with such scenarios. They are proving a total lack of empathy.
mikeash 13y ago
I would feel extremely embarrassed and stupid at having carried out such a private conversation in a place where people could obviously overhear me, and would take care not to do so again.
- chromanoid 13y ago
  Of course, it can be embarrassing, but sometimes you are too emotional to not carry it out instantly. This display of humanity should not be frowned upon, but sympathetically ignored. If a real mental breakdown occurs, we should even get involved and help each other instead of posting it on twitter. Your victim blaming doesn't make it right, it just shows a lack of empathy.
  - mikeash 13y ago
    Are you calling the woman abusing a flight attendant and the couple loudly breaking up on a rooftop "victims", or are you just referring to the more mundane events?
    - chromanoid 13y ago
      Of course they are victims. Only because somebody does something, which might be annoying or in case of Diane offending (for the flight personnel), does not mean they become outlawed and can be rightfully, publicly and globally punished for their missteps by anyone who likes to do so. I think you only see black and white instead of the whole spectrum of the human condition.
      - mikeash 13y ago
        I really don't get it, so: victims of what? I'm guessing the answer is something like "public shaming", in which case this does not make sense to me. It's like saying that a person who hits himself on the thumb with a hammer is a victim of assault and battery. They caused their own public shaming when they made a public spectacle of themselves. The tweeters just magnified it. It would have happened even without them.
aaronem 13y ago
I actually knew a guy who used to do exactly that, back before he got his nose broken. I was curious about that; he was awfully vague about the circumstances, but allowed as how it'd happened in a Safeway checkstand line. As may be, the experience did wonders for his circumspection and consideration of others. Didn't help him much, of course, this being the same fellow who used to say that enforcing other people's marriage vows was no concern of his, which worked great for him right up until he got shot. Quite a funeral, that was -- I never in my life saw so many flower arrangements around a casket, or so few with cards attached.