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Protests in Ukraine
- rodrigocoelho 13y agoSomeone who speaks the language or is there could please give us some context?
- aquadrop 13y agoThere's crowd of people who wants to enter president's administration building and 'berkut' police protects the building. Some fights were going on. I don't actually understand what exactly do those people want.
- wavefunction 13y agoThey want the Ukranian government to enter into an agreement of cooperation with the EU (a first step to becoming a full member). Putin doesn't want Ukraine joining the EU since it would put "Europe" right on the Russian porch, whereas Putin would prefer to have a buffer of client-states who take their orders from the Kremlin. Ukraine gets most of its energy supplies from Russian natgas, which has been the main "stick" Putin has used to get the Ukraine to toe his line.
- oddx 13y agoThey think that best way to democracy is topple legitimately elected government.
- mike_esspe 13y agoUkrainian government suspended the prepration for association agreement with EU. Citizens went to a permanent rally on Maidan (the central Kiev square). There was a violent crackdown on it last night. That provoked the current unrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ukraine_pro-European_Union_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Ukraine_pro-European_Unio...
- budnyk 13y agohttps://github.com/ministryofcrimeofukraine https://github.com/ministryofcrimeofukraine
- budnyk 13y agoThat happend yesterday at 5a.m. police have bitten peacful protestors to clear main capital's square in order to set up christmas tree there. That lead to huge amount of people gather on streets of Kiev today. And small group of provoker tried to get into Presidet's Office as seen on different ustreams like this ones.
- friendly_chap 13y agoWe have these kind of riots in Hungary (pretty close to Ukraine) as well. They are not really revolutions, but they are a good indicator that the people are extremely fed up with current government policies, which may lead to a revolution. Exciting times to live in, hopefully the people will be able to get rid of the corrupt ruling class. EDIT: Just to give you bit of context on corruption... in the UK where I currently live, politicians are going into prisons for faking a couple of thousands of pounds as expense and profiting from that... A couple of thousands... Compared to that, a couple of years ago, a guy called Bajnai Gordon was the prime minister in Hungary, who is well known by everyone for his act of destroying the whole agricultural economy of eastern Hungary. He did stole all the money from one of the largest companies at the time. Multiple farmers committed suicide, etc. Years after that, he became a prime minister. Truly mind blowing. Those people are evil, and have cheeks, they deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prisons. If you are interested about (the politically correct version of) the story, search for "Hajdu-Bet" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Bajnai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Bajnai
- rodrigocoelho 13y agoYes, 100% agreed, we had the same here in Brazil from June to November: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_protests_in_Brazil http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brazil-protests-expand-to-over-one-million-people/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/brazil-protests-expand-to-over-o...
- friendly_chap 13y agoPeople are waking up all over the world. I wish the best for your nation. Never give up.
- wavefunction 13y agoHopefully it will happen here in the USA as well.
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- gkoz 13y agoThere are no riots. It's sad that this word is used to label what's happening here. No one is burning cars, smashing up stores etc.
- jeena 13y agoYeah I'm confused too, it kind of looks like a peacefull protest, at least right now while I'm watching.
- yeppers8 13y agoThe capitol is more on the west side of the country which has more people that are pro-west, and most people there didn't want the more Russian influenced leader Yanukovych become president in the first place. Now he's doing things to make people pretty upset (not signing the EU agreement). I'm guessing a good deal of the eastern (more pro-Russian) side of the country still supports him though. The person that is live streaming said this is on street Bankova, I think this is it: https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d30.52992!3d50.446413!2m2!1f217.7!2f63.03!4f90!2m7!1e1!2m2!1s83HPVKxL1RQuVl5iHNb_AA!2e0!5m2!1s83HPVKxL1RQuVl5iHNb_AA!2e0&fid=5 https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!data=!1m8!1m3!1d3!2d30....
- ghostdiver 13y agoThis country is pretty much fucked up, criminal as a president, lack of resources, poor people and also European Union bureaucrats are not really interested in Ukraine in its current state. Half of citizines do not speak ukraininan language, they identify themselves as Russians. The other part is only waiting for a moment to gtfo there.
- lcedp 13y ago> lack of resources which kind of resources? > Half of citizines do not speak ukraininan language, they identify themselves as Russians. 2/3 declared Ukrainian an their native, moreover there is distinct movement of Russian(!)-speaking anti-Russia(!) pro-Ukraine people. Source: living in Russian speaking Ukrainian city >The other part is only waiting for a moment to gtfo there. meh
- Nux 13y agoI'm hopeful Eastern Europe will regrow the spine half a century of so called communism destroyed.
- sdpope 13y agoI'm not a Soviet apologist, but the state of eastern europe has roots that predate the 20th century. Bear in mind that even before communism, much of it had been part of Tsarist Russia in the 19th century or earlier. It's inaccurate to think of pre-soviet europe as composed of western european style states.
- Nux 13y agoI'm not implying pre-soviet era Eastern Europe had a western style. That would not have been possible, not locked between the west and a hard place. Looks like Ukraine is still there. Geopolitically and historically this (I'm Romanian) has been one shitty place with a lot of influences: Tsarist Russia, Soviet Union, Ottoman Empire, the Huns, the Mongols, the Romans etc. You could not have developed a western style state in this environment. I'm not implying western Europe had it easier, but just different and it benefited them by the looks of things. However, from history lessons, at least in my own country things were starting to pick up and it's my belief the situation would've been much better without WWII and especially without the communists.
- kovalkos 13y agoThis is my rough understanding of what's going on: Ukraine wants to increase cooperation with Europe, and possibly join EU. This would undermine it's relationship with Russia. The previous Ukranian president, Viktor Yushchenko, usually sided with the West, and current president, Viktor Yanukovych, wants to preserve friendship with Russia. Russia obviously doesn't want to lose allies, so it threatened to stop trading, and impose strict sanctions on Ukraine if they agreed to partnership with Europe. Some Ukrainians dislike Yanukovych for siding with Russia instead of Europe, thus causing protests. If you have more knowledge about this situation, feel free to correct me if I err.
- computer 13y agoWhen you say "Ukraine wants to increase cooperation with Europe", who do you mean by "Ukraine"? The president? The people in the west (i.e. the ones protesting here)? The people in the east who only speak Russian?
- budnyk 13y agoEverybody does! Here on east of Ukraine everybody wants freedom of speech, goverment w/o corruption, 3g internet.
- oddx 13y agoYou should also add that everybody wants to have well payed job. Question is "Which move would be better?". I think problem is that Ukrainians split in two roughly equal parts: pro-EU and pro-Russia (Yanukovych would not win recent election otherwise) and it's almost impossible to have consensus.
- huhtenberg 13y agoA mass protest is not a revolution.
- skryshtafovych 13y agoPlease share with everyone and help Ukrainians get rid of this Russian rule