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Prenda Law ordered to pay $261K to defendants

68 points by cheapsteak 13y ago

moneyrich4 13y ago
that is not the correct answer! the correct answer was ordered to pay the sum equal to the amount they were last awarded in court.
chris_wot 13y ago
It looks like after they are bankrupted, they will be going to jail.
- deleted 13y ago
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kenster07 13y ago
There is hope yet for the patent system in America.
- latk 13y ago
  This has nothing to do with patents. The article describes a case of copyright trolling, which is a completely different matter. Of course there are similarities between copyright trolls and patent trolls: Both acquire certain rights and try to extort money out of small actors for allegedly infringing use. In both cases the troll's calculation is that the proposed settlement fee is just below the cost of an effective defense.
skore 13y ago
Very happy to see these cases be increasingly either laughed out of court or used to punish trolls.
spdmn 13y ago
i've been so sick of hearing about these guys "gaming" the justice system and getting away with it. perhaps there is hope.
- thaumasiotes 13y ago
  Well, this case is a little more disappointing than you might think. Prenda's in so much trouble because they falsely represented to the court that they had an unrelated, copyright-holding client, when in fact they held the copyright (and kept all the money) themselves. No one is challenging the model of "own the copyright to a porn movie, and then sue people who download it" (although it has also been suggested that Prenda was the source of torrents for its movies, which would complicate its claims).
  - wavefunction 13y ago
    It cannot be proven that Prenda was responsible for the torrent in the first place (an IP address is not enough for proof of identity) but it's pretty much settled at this point that Prenda paid for the production of the pornography, had no intention of ever releasing the pornography for consumption, and posted the original torrent so that they could go after "infringers." http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/21/quite-amazing-prenda-law-was-seeding-the-torrent-sites-it-then-sues-people-for-downloading-from/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/21/quite-ama...
anoncow 13y ago
>The Prenda "porn trolls" were really just an annoyance to the ISPs until they sued the companies; that put AT&T and Comcast in a situation where "they will be strongly motivated to win the case and ensure that no one tries this tactic again," wrote Lee. If they hadn't sued Comcast and Bell, would the judgment be different?
- latk 13y ago
  The judgement on the case would probably not be much different, considering that the Prenda lawyers have also lost various other cases without naming any ISPs as defendants. This order discusses a motion by Comcast and AT&T for attorney fees, which the judge deems appropriate because (a) Prenda unnecessarily elongated the process by naming the ISPs as co-defendants without any valid claim, and (b) as a reprimand for Prenda'a “willingness to lie to the Court” and “disregard […] of justice”. The damages are tabulated as follows: Anthony Smith (main defendant) 187.2h á $200.00/h – $409.00/h → $72,367.00 AT&T 158.7h á $110.00/h – $295.00/h → $38,987.83 + $870.29 215.0h á $250.00/h – $555.00/h → $80,524.50 + $864.92 total $119,637.05 Comcast 132.0h á $212.50/h – $531.00/h → $57,144.23 + $806.98 36.9h á $300.00/h → $11,070.00 total $69,021.26 TOTAL JUDGEMENT: $261,025.11 So yes, Prenda would have to pay a lot less attorney fees hadn't they got the ISPs involved, and possibly even none at all, considering that the motion for fees was brought forward by the ISPs. You can read the judgement yourself at https://ia600705.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58824/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58824.100.0.pdf https://ia600705.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58...
pwg 13y ago
Key quote from the article: "Unlike other awards, Hansmeier, Steele and Duffy are __personally liable__ for this award." (emphasis added) So they can't simply close up the firm and walk away from the carcass. Their own personal funds will disappear, which is actually the proper punishment for this type of action on their part.

68 points by cheapsteak 13y ago

that is not the correct answer! the correct answer was ordered to pay the sum equal to the amount they were last awarded in court.

chris_wot 13y ago

It looks like after they are bankrupted, they will be going to jail.

deleted 13y ago
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kenster07 13y ago

There is hope yet for the patent system in America.

latk 13y ago
This has nothing to do with patents. The article describes a case of copyright trolling, which is a completely different matter. Of course there are similarities between copyright trolls and patent trolls: Both acquire certain rights and try to extort money out of small actors for allegedly infringing use. In both cases the troll's calculation is that the proposed settlement fee is just below the cost of an effective defense.

skore 13y ago

Very happy to see these cases be increasingly either laughed out of court or used to punish trolls.

spdmn 13y ago

i've been so sick of hearing about these guys "gaming" the justice system and getting away with it. perhaps there is hope.

thaumasiotes 13y ago
Well, this case is a little more disappointing than you might think. Prenda's in so much trouble because they falsely represented to the court that they had an unrelated, copyright-holding client, when in fact they held the copyright (and kept all the money) themselves. No one is challenging the model of "own the copyright to a porn movie, and then sue people who download it" (although it has also been suggested that Prenda was the source of torrents for its movies, which would complicate its claims).
- wavefunction 13y ago
  It cannot be proven that Prenda was responsible for the torrent in the first place (an IP address is not enough for proof of identity) but it's pretty much settled at this point that Prenda paid for the production of the pornography, had no intention of ever releasing the pornography for consumption, and posted the original torrent so that they could go after "infringers." http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/21/quite-amazing-prenda-law-was-seeding-the-torrent-sites-it-then-sues-people-for-downloading-from/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/21/quite-ama...

anoncow 13y ago

>The Prenda "porn trolls" were really just an annoyance to the ISPs until they sued the companies; that put AT&T and Comcast in a situation where "they will be strongly motivated to win the case and ensure that no one tries this tactic again," wrote Lee. If they hadn't sued Comcast and Bell, would the judgment be different?

latk 13y ago
The judgement on the case would probably not be much different, considering that the Prenda lawyers have also lost various other cases without naming any ISPs as defendants. This order discusses a motion by Comcast and AT&T for attorney fees, which the judge deems appropriate because (a) Prenda unnecessarily elongated the process by naming the ISPs as co-defendants without any valid claim, and (b) as a reprimand for Prenda'a “willingness to lie to the Court” and “disregard […] of justice”. The damages are tabulated as follows: Anthony Smith (main defendant) 187.2h á $200.00/h – $409.00/h → $72,367.00 AT&T 158.7h á $110.00/h – $295.00/h → $38,987.83 + $870.29 215.0h á $250.00/h – $555.00/h → $80,524.50 + $864.92 total $119,637.05 Comcast 132.0h á $212.50/h – $531.00/h → $57,144.23 + $806.98 36.9h á $300.00/h → $11,070.00 total $69,021.26 TOTAL JUDGEMENT: $261,025.11 So yes, Prenda would have to pay a lot less attorney fees hadn't they got the ISPs involved, and possibly even none at all, considering that the motion for fees was brought forward by the ISPs. You can read the judgement yourself at https://ia600705.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58824/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58824.100.0.pdf https://ia600705.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ilsd.58...

pwg 13y ago

Key quote from the article: "Unlike other awards, Hansmeier, Steele and Duffy are __personally liable__ for this award." (emphasis added) So they can't simply close up the firm and walk away from the carcass. Their own personal funds will disappear, which is actually the proper punishment for this type of action on their part.