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It's a quixotic dream, but one I think is quite beautiful. In terms of 'revived' languages used today in everyday life, the most successful one that comes to mi

by austinz 13y ago

It's a quixotic dream, but one I think is quite beautiful. In terms of 'revived' languages used today in everyday life, the most successful one that comes to mind is Hebrew (and there was a strong desire for national cohesion for a newly created state that in part drove its revival). I don't think anything remotely similar exists in Europe today to drive the widespread adoption of Latin, especially as the drive for further European integration in general has been battered in recent years.

michaelsbradley 13y ago
Latin is still in daily/weekly use in those Catholic churches around the world that celebrate the traditional form of the Roman liturgy, or use the Latin edition of its modern form. Many clergy and laity alike study, learn and treasure the Latin readings, prayers, chants and hymns that form such an important part of the Western Church's heritage. In Saint Louis, Missouri, USA we have a church where the traditional Latin Mass is celebrated daily, the Oratory of St. Francis de Sales[1]. If you're not familiar with how the traditional Roman liturgy looks and sounds, there are a number of video recordings online[2]. [1] http://www.institute-christ-king.org/stlouis/ http://www.institute-christ-king.org/stlouis/ [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32brXXx5k8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32brXXx5k8
- superpatosainz 13y ago
  Actually, most Catholic churches now is celebrated in their region's language, after Jean Paul II's Second Vatican Council.
  - michaelsbradley 13y ago
    Pope John XXIII opened the Second Vatican Council in 1962, and it ended in 1965 during the pontificate of Paul VI. Karol Wojtyła, who took the name John Paul II, was elected in 1978. Otherwise, you're correct – most parishes now celebrate in the vernacular (local language), but that's why I included the qualifying phrase "that..., or..."
  - fennecfoxen 13y ago
    Jean Paul II did the Second Vatican Council? Right. And Linux Torvalds invented the C programming language.
    - simonh 13y ago
      Don't be silly, everyone knows Linus started the GNU movement, that's why he insisted it should be called GNU Linux ;)
    - superpatosainz 13y ago
      Made a huge miss, cannot edit in order to correct. Thank you anyway.
  - tptacek 13y ago
    He knows; he's pointing out that you can go to Latin High Mass / Tridentine Mass in certain parishes in big cities. There's a bunch of places in Chicago that do it once a week too.
lmm 13y ago
I'd share your warm view if it were just adults doing it among themselves. But children rely on the advice of their teachers and aren't yet able to truly make their own choices; I think adults steer them towards these dead languages to satisfy their own nostalgia rather than for the children's benefit. And I think that's wrong.
- VLM 13y ago
  "satisfy their own nostalgia" Latin, literature, algebra, philosophy, history, and geography are all the same. Almost no one will ever use them on the job or for "work" they're almost purely educational. There's more to life and the world than purely vocational training.

by austinz 13y ago

michaelsbradley 13y ago

Latin is still in daily/weekly use in those Catholic churches around the world that celebrate the traditional form of the Roman liturgy, or use the Latin edition of its modern form. Many clergy and laity alike study, learn and treasure the Latin readings, prayers, chants and hymns that form such an important part of the Western Church's heritage. In Saint Louis, Missouri, USA we have a church where the traditional Latin Mass is celebrated daily, the Oratory of St. Francis de Sales[1]. If you're not familiar with how the traditional Roman liturgy looks and sounds, there are a number of video recordings online[2]. [1] http://www.institute-christ-king.org/stlouis/ http://www.institute-christ-king.org/stlouis/ [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32brXXx5k8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c32brXXx5k8

superpatosainz 13y ago
Actually, most Catholic churches now is celebrated in their region's language, after Jean Paul II's Second Vatican Council.
- michaelsbradley 13y ago
  Pope John XXIII opened the Second Vatican Council in 1962, and it ended in 1965 during the pontificate of Paul VI. Karol Wojtyła, who took the name John Paul II, was elected in 1978. Otherwise, you're correct – most parishes now celebrate in the vernacular (local language), but that's why I included the qualifying phrase "that..., or..."
- fennecfoxen 13y ago
  Jean Paul II did the Second Vatican Council? Right. And Linux Torvalds invented the C programming language.
  - simonh 13y ago
    Don't be silly, everyone knows Linus started the GNU movement, that's why he insisted it should be called GNU Linux ;)
  - superpatosainz 13y ago
    Made a huge miss, cannot edit in order to correct. Thank you anyway.
- tptacek 13y ago
  He knows; he's pointing out that you can go to Latin High Mass / Tridentine Mass in certain parishes in big cities. There's a bunch of places in Chicago that do it once a week too.

lmm 13y ago

I'd share your warm view if it were just adults doing it among themselves. But children rely on the advice of their teachers and aren't yet able to truly make their own choices; I think adults steer them towards these dead languages to satisfy their own nostalgia rather than for the children's benefit. And I think that's wrong.

VLM 13y ago
"satisfy their own nostalgia" Latin, literature, algebra, philosophy, history, and geography are all the same. Almost no one will ever use them on the job or for "work" they're almost purely educational. There's more to life and the world than purely vocational training.