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I don't think you get to complain about these sort of things when you make the choice to use OSX.

by GuiA 13y ago

malandrew 13y ago
I'm on the verge of setting up my MBP to double boot to Arch or Debian and slowly moving as much as possible to Linux. Unfortunately, neither Illustrator or Photoshop are available on Linux. Are their open-source equivalents anywhere near the quality of their Adobe counterparts yet? I've yet to try InkScape, but I know that the last time I used Gimp, it was excruciating. I would rather work via ImageMagick, RMagick or node-canvas than subject myself to gimp.
- vezzy-fnord 13y ago
  Photoshop CS5 works perfectly on Wine. I had it running on Mint 15 for a while.
- baby 13y ago
  and Netflix. Although it could be good for productivity.
  - buugs 13y ago
    Netflix actually works through a special wine version now. https://launchpad.net/pipelight https://launchpad.net/pipelight or (older) https://launchpad.net/netflix-desktop https://launchpad.net/netflix-desktop
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  Just run those apps in a Windows VM. VirtualBox seamless mode is quite nice.
  - csmuk 13y ago
    It is if you don't use it on Ubuntu+Unity. It's totally unusable on that on 12.04 at least.
  - malandrew 13y ago
    I reckoned that was an option, but since migrating to OS X, I have never had to have a Windows VM installed and couldn't be happier. Having to put a Windows VM in order to migrate to Linux kind of turns my stomach a bit.
- hnha 13y ago
  try krita, mypaint, darktable,rawtherapee.
  - sneak 13y ago
    Darktable is broken in fundamental ways and the devs are stereotypically F/OSS hostile to bug reports about simple UI fixes and usability tweaks that haven't been state of the art for a decade. It's the standard F/OSS model of "open source replacement for commercial software" that has some list of features nobody but nerds cares about and is completely unusable for day to day work. It's sad.
- ballard 13y ago
  Argh yeah. Compiling ImageMagick is easier than using GIMP. Surprised someone hasn't made a LOGO-like language for raster editing. Is there any specific motivation to switch to linux? OSX might not be libre, but it mostly works (apart from setrlimit).
  - malandrew 13y ago
    I simply want to do more and more of my computing at the command line and with OS X I often find that every task I want to accomplish is a little more complex than it has to be, and that over time that all adds up.
    - ballard 13y ago
      Yeah that's true. Should always try to mirror prod as close as practical in dev, and OSX != Linux. So I use just one Ubuntu lts VM with docker backed by zfs. That way, I can ssh to it and predictably recreate any number of isolated environments. Way faster than vagrant and still provides isolation, although docker could be driven by it. There's always a need for some sort of deploy/configuration mgmt to bootstrap to speed up testing and reduce tiny difference gotchas. The other good things are that it doesn't sacrifice osx usability, no reboot is needed and it doesn't require repartitioning.
- bnegreve 13y ago
  > the last time I used Gimp, it was excruciating. To be fair, it's a LOT better since they added the single window mode. I've been using it since then and I am quite satisfied (although I am not a heavy user). Maybe you should give it a more serious try. Inkscape is also pretty good I think.
  - TheLegace 13y ago
    Apparently you can get Gimp to look almost like photoshop[1]. You can see it's a fairly simple interface. The screenshot actually makes it look fairly clean.[2] [1]http://elementaryforum.org/forum/how-to/customization_aa/desktop/1734-make-gimp-2-8-look-more-like-photoshop-%E2%80%93-it-really-helps http://elementaryforum.org/forum/how-to/customization_aa/des... [2]http://s16.postimg.org/nbs29omth/Gimp_Like_Photoshop.png http://s16.postimg.org/nbs29omth/Gimp_Like_Photoshop.png
    - girvo 13y ago
      Hadn't seen that before. Kicks the crap out of GIMPshop! Impressive.
- mkr-hn 13y ago
  GIMP is easy to use once you adjust to its peculiarities. Blender is the same way, even before it got a facelift.
Tehnix 13y ago
And why's that? Almost all of the native icons (battery, wifi, sound, date/time, bluetooth) can be turned off in the menu bar (set to not show). Are you under the assumption that OS X can't be changed? 'Cause with plists etc, you can do a great deal...
valleyer 13y ago
Please don't peddle this FUD here.

I don't think you get to complain about these sort of things when you make the choice to use OSX.

by GuiA 13y ago

I don't think you get to complain about these sort of things when you make the choice to use OSX.

I'm on the verge of setting up my MBP to double boot to Arch or Debian and slowly moving as much as possible to Linux. Unfortunately, neither Illustrator or Photoshop are available on Linux. Are their open-source equivalents anywhere near the quality of their Adobe counterparts yet? I've yet to try InkScape, but I know that the last time I used Gimp, it was excruciating. I would rather work via ImageMagick, RMagick or node-canvas than subject myself to gimp.

vezzy-fnord 13y ago
Photoshop CS5 works perfectly on Wine. I had it running on Mint 15 for a while.
baby 13y ago
and Netflix. Although it could be good for productivity.
- buugs 13y ago
  Netflix actually works through a special wine version now. https://launchpad.net/pipelight https://launchpad.net/pipelight or (older) https://launchpad.net/netflix-desktop https://launchpad.net/netflix-desktop
w1ntermute 13y ago
Just run those apps in a Windows VM. VirtualBox seamless mode is quite nice.
- csmuk 13y ago
  It is if you don't use it on Ubuntu+Unity. It's totally unusable on that on 12.04 at least.
- malandrew 13y ago
  I reckoned that was an option, but since migrating to OS X, I have never had to have a Windows VM installed and couldn't be happier. Having to put a Windows VM in order to migrate to Linux kind of turns my stomach a bit.
hnha 13y ago
try krita, mypaint, darktable,rawtherapee.
- sneak 13y ago
  Darktable is broken in fundamental ways and the devs are stereotypically F/OSS hostile to bug reports about simple UI fixes and usability tweaks that haven't been state of the art for a decade. It's the standard F/OSS model of "open source replacement for commercial software" that has some list of features nobody but nerds cares about and is completely unusable for day to day work. It's sad.
ballard 13y ago
Argh yeah. Compiling ImageMagick is easier than using GIMP. Surprised someone hasn't made a LOGO-like language for raster editing. Is there any specific motivation to switch to linux? OSX might not be libre, but it mostly works (apart from setrlimit).
- malandrew 13y ago
  I simply want to do more and more of my computing at the command line and with OS X I often find that every task I want to accomplish is a little more complex than it has to be, and that over time that all adds up.
  - ballard 13y ago
    Yeah that's true. Should always try to mirror prod as close as practical in dev, and OSX != Linux. So I use just one Ubuntu lts VM with docker backed by zfs. That way, I can ssh to it and predictably recreate any number of isolated environments. Way faster than vagrant and still provides isolation, although docker could be driven by it. There's always a need for some sort of deploy/configuration mgmt to bootstrap to speed up testing and reduce tiny difference gotchas. The other good things are that it doesn't sacrifice osx usability, no reboot is needed and it doesn't require repartitioning.
bnegreve 13y ago
> the last time I used Gimp, it was excruciating. To be fair, it's a LOT better since they added the single window mode. I've been using it since then and I am quite satisfied (although I am not a heavy user). Maybe you should give it a more serious try. Inkscape is also pretty good I think.
- TheLegace 13y ago
  Apparently you can get Gimp to look almost like photoshop[1]. You can see it's a fairly simple interface. The screenshot actually makes it look fairly clean.[2] [1]http://elementaryforum.org/forum/how-to/customization_aa/desktop/1734-make-gimp-2-8-look-more-like-photoshop-%E2%80%93-it-really-helps http://elementaryforum.org/forum/how-to/customization_aa/des... [2]http://s16.postimg.org/nbs29omth/Gimp_Like_Photoshop.png http://s16.postimg.org/nbs29omth/Gimp_Like_Photoshop.png
  - girvo 13y ago
    Hadn't seen that before. Kicks the crap out of GIMPshop! Impressive.
mkr-hn 13y ago
GIMP is easy to use once you adjust to its peculiarities. Blender is the same way, even before it got a facelift.

Tehnix 13y ago

And why's that? Almost all of the native icons (battery, wifi, sound, date/time, bluetooth) can be turned off in the menu bar (set to not show). Are you under the assumption that OS X can't be changed? 'Cause with plists etc, you can do a great deal...

valleyer 13y ago

Please don't peddle this FUD here.