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So does this mean we just sit back & watch for 10 months? Or can something go wrong after this as well?

by balakk 13y ago

daeken 13y ago
A lot can go wrong in the meantime: electrical or communication systems could fail, orbital insertion burns could fail (either due to messed up timing, communication, propulsion, or any number of other things), etc etc. But that said, barring any huge design flaws, if you make it out of atmo you're probably going to be just fine. (Usually. Probably.) So it's mainly just a waiting game now.
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iamshs 13y ago
Main risk factor of this whole program was the injection into earth orbit with correct orientation. The journey to Mars should be relatively risk-free. There still will be minor corrections en-route to Mars by firing engines. Mainly, now we sit back and wait for it to be captured by Mars gravity, the next major step where failure can occur.
- hrjet 13y ago
  > the injection into earth orbit with correct orientation. Can that be called a new achievement for the launch vehicle? Is it more difficult than a high orbit satellite?
  - swatkat 13y ago
    I guess it's similar to launching and placing satellites in right orbit, or parking orbit? ISRO's launch vehicle PSLV-XL placed MOM in a parking orbit on Nov 5, 2013 and then ISRO did a series of orbit-raising maneuvers to bring MOM closer to Trans Mars Injection point. This post at The Planetary Society gives an idea about the orbits traversed by MOM: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/congratulations-due-to-india.html http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/congrat...
kens 13y ago
Here's a summary of Mars missions and their success/failure: http://mars.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/log/ http://mars.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/log/ Lots can go wrong on the Mars side. E.g. Mars Polar Lander - smashed into Mars. Beagle 2 - last heard from just before landing. Mars Climate Orbiter - failed to land because of confusion between pounds and Newtons. Deep Space 2 - no communication after landing. Mars Observer - communication lost 3 days from Mars, probably due to fuel leak. See "Mars Curse": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Probing_dif.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Probing_dif....
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- mani04 13y ago
  From that NASA website on mission logs - anybody else noticed that the success rates have dramatically increased after 2000? I am wondering if this has got anything to do with significantly enhanced computing power we have nowadays.
  - HarryHirsch 13y ago
    I prefer to think that this has to do with the fact that NASA got rid of Dan Goldin and his "faster, better, cheaper" approach to project management. In space you can't afford to cut corners. You need three people to tighten a screw: one to set the torque wrench, one to tighten the screw, and one to write the protocol, saying that the screw has been tightened. NASA found out in the 1950s, they forgot and learned it again, and Elon Musk will take note eventually.
    - dirtyaura 13y ago
      Interesting perspective. Is there any analysis written about Goldin's era? I studied AI and robotics in late 90s / early 00s and Rodney Brooks' Behavior-based robotics and NASA's approach were in vogue and were given as examples how to do things (and I believed them too). There is some parallels to MVP thinking in tech community. What I find interesting is that compared to Brooks it was actually Sebastian Thrun that managed to lead teams to build something remarkable (self-driving cars). IMO, his approach was never based on any single philosophical idea or AI technique, but instead his teams build robotic systems that combined many approaches, and the target was always to build something that worked in a real-world situations, like his museum robot.

So does this mean we just sit back & watch for 10 months? Or can something go wrong after this as well?

by balakk 13y ago

So does this mean we just sit back & watch for 10 months? Or can something go wrong after this as well?

A lot can go wrong in the meantime: electrical or communication systems could fail, orbital insertion burns could fail (either due to messed up timing, communication, propulsion, or any number of other things), etc etc. But that said, barring any huge design flaws, if you make it out of atmo you're probably going to be just fine. (Usually. Probably.) So it's mainly just a waiting game now.

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iamshs 13y ago

Main risk factor of this whole program was the injection into earth orbit with correct orientation. The journey to Mars should be relatively risk-free. There still will be minor corrections en-route to Mars by firing engines. Mainly, now we sit back and wait for it to be captured by Mars gravity, the next major step where failure can occur.

hrjet 13y ago
> the injection into earth orbit with correct orientation. Can that be called a new achievement for the launch vehicle? Is it more difficult than a high orbit satellite?
- swatkat 13y ago
  I guess it's similar to launching and placing satellites in right orbit, or parking orbit? ISRO's launch vehicle PSLV-XL placed MOM in a parking orbit on Nov 5, 2013 and then ISRO did a series of orbit-raising maneuvers to bring MOM closer to Trans Mars Injection point. This post at The Planetary Society gives an idea about the orbits traversed by MOM: http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/congratulations-due-to-india.html http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/congrat...

kens 13y ago

Here's a summary of Mars missions and their success/failure: http://mars.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/log/ http://mars.nasa.gov/programmissions/missions/log/ Lots can go wrong on the Mars side. E.g. Mars Polar Lander - smashed into Mars. Beagle 2 - last heard from just before landing. Mars Climate Orbiter - failed to land because of confusion between pounds and Newtons. Deep Space 2 - no communication after landing. Mars Observer - communication lost 3 days from Mars, probably due to fuel leak. See "Mars Curse": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Probing_dif.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration_of_Mars#Probing_dif....

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mani04 13y ago
From that NASA website on mission logs - anybody else noticed that the success rates have dramatically increased after 2000? I am wondering if this has got anything to do with significantly enhanced computing power we have nowadays.
- HarryHirsch 13y ago
  I prefer to think that this has to do with the fact that NASA got rid of Dan Goldin and his "faster, better, cheaper" approach to project management. In space you can't afford to cut corners. You need three people to tighten a screw: one to set the torque wrench, one to tighten the screw, and one to write the protocol, saying that the screw has been tightened. NASA found out in the 1950s, they forgot and learned it again, and Elon Musk will take note eventually.
  - dirtyaura 13y ago
    Interesting perspective. Is there any analysis written about Goldin's era? I studied AI and robotics in late 90s / early 00s and Rodney Brooks' Behavior-based robotics and NASA's approach were in vogue and were given as examples how to do things (and I believed them too). There is some parallels to MVP thinking in tech community. What I find interesting is that compared to Brooks it was actually Sebastian Thrun that managed to lead teams to build something remarkable (self-driving cars). IMO, his approach was never based on any single philosophical idea or AI technique, but instead his teams build robotic systems that combined many approaches, and the target was always to build something that worked in a real-world situations, like his museum robot.