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You have a different idea of "freedom" than we do The problem is not bundling in closed-source applications... the problem is removing (and thus stopping devel

You have a different idea of "freedom" than we do The problem is not bundling in closed-source applications... the problem is removing (and thus stopping development) of the previously-default open source applications Are Nova, Apex and Smart OSS? I looked at their web pages, but I don't see any link to the sources basically: you still have freedom 0 (and possibly freedom 2, if you're willing to go against the EULA)... but, concerning freedom 1 and freedom 3, Android (as in AOSP) is stuck to something like version "4.*"

wmf 13y ago
It sounds like you should move to CyanogenMod.
eropple 13y ago
Yes, I do have a very different definition than you do, which is what makes your almost-begging-the-question rhetorical adoption of the implicit redefinition of freedom as Those Enumerated By Richard Stallman...well, kind of funny. On the other hand, I will enjoy my freedom to use software without concerns of ideological purity because I have alternatives if I don't like them. Nothing stops you from writing your own to-your-specifications launcher or SMS client or email client atop the openly-licensed Android stack (and leverage having an actually useful, widely-supported phone). People might even use your GNU-gold-starred alternative if it's more than barely functional, though the track record of said gold-starred software with regards to UX doesn't fill me with optimism. But I do wish you luck.
- berdario 13y ago
  Actually, I'm nowhere "ideologically pure" as you think I am. I'm still using my google-sanctioned stock android, and I routinely use some sort of closed source software... My point was more like: I'm using google-android now, out of convenience, but I stopped strictly seeing Android releases[1] as improvements (and thus I _might_ refrain to use KitKat... if I'll move to a google-less cyanogenmod or to Ubuntu or Jolla I still don't know) Also, My intention was not to be rhetoric: I just found Stallman definitions of freedom useful in this context to understand what some people are complaining about [1] as in "Android used on Nexus", compared to AOSP

wmf 13y ago

It sounds like you should move to CyanogenMod.

eropple 13y ago

Yes, I do have a very different definition than you do, which is what makes your almost-begging-the-question rhetorical adoption of the implicit redefinition of freedom as Those Enumerated By Richard Stallman...well, kind of funny. On the other hand, I will enjoy my freedom to use software without concerns of ideological purity because I have alternatives if I don't like them. Nothing stops you from writing your own to-your-specifications launcher or SMS client or email client atop the openly-licensed Android stack (and leverage having an actually useful, widely-supported phone). People might even use your GNU-gold-starred alternative if it's more than barely functional, though the track record of said gold-starred software with regards to UX doesn't fill me with optimism. But I do wish you luck.

berdario 13y ago
Actually, I'm nowhere "ideologically pure" as you think I am. I'm still using my google-sanctioned stock android, and I routinely use some sort of closed source software... My point was more like: I'm using google-android now, out of convenience, but I stopped strictly seeing Android releases[1] as improvements (and thus I _might_ refrain to use KitKat... if I'll move to a google-less cyanogenmod or to Ubuntu or Jolla I still don't know) Also, My intention was not to be rhetoric: I just found Stallman definitions of freedom useful in this context to understand what some people are complaining about [1] as in "Android used on Nexus", compared to AOSP