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It's scary how this all snooping thing started way back when the internet was nascent.

by sidcool 13y ago

mhurron 13y ago
It started before that. This has been a function of the NSA from it's beginning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK
DanBC 13y ago
British Special Branch said they wanted an informant on every street. The BBC had political vetting. http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.page9_obs_18aug1985.html http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.page9... Special Branch spied on an elected member of parliament http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/true_spies/2378459.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/true_spies/2378459.stm Unions in the 70s had extensive networks of police informants and undercover officers and agents provocateurs. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/12/spie-d10.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/12/spie-d10.html That union scrutiny activity turned into black listing, meaning many workers were denied jobs. A secret McCarthy-esque activity. This black listing was so severe it lead to laws being brought in around data protection. Those laws originally only covered computer systems. Because the black lists were run on index cards the laws were changed to cover more forms of data retention. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02xcn7d http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02xcn7d Abuses of surveillance are common, and long lasting.
pconf 13y ago
It actually started with the British whose spooks taught it to the US' Herbert Hoover before WWII. Read "Enemies: A History of the FBI by Tim Weiner" <http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/enemies-fbi-history-weiner-review> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/enemies-fbi-his... for the definitive historical overview of how domestic spying and its abuse got started. George Orwell foresaw the potential for abuse long before 1948 when he wrote "1984" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four>.

It's scary how this all snooping thing started way back when the internet was nascent.

by sidcool 13y ago

It's scary how this all snooping thing started way back when the internet was nascent.

It started before that. This has been a function of the NSA from it's beginning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK

DanBC 13y ago

British Special Branch said they wanted an informant on every street. The BBC had political vetting. http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.page9_obs_18aug1985.html http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/press_cuttings/mi5.bbc.page9... Special Branch spied on an elected member of parliament http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/true_spies/2378459.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/true_spies/2378459.stm Unions in the 70s had extensive networks of police informants and undercover officers and agents provocateurs. https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/12/spie-d10.html https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/12/spie-d10.html That union scrutiny activity turned into black listing, meaning many workers were denied jobs. A secret McCarthy-esque activity. This black listing was so severe it lead to laws being brought in around data protection. Those laws originally only covered computer systems. Because the black lists were run on index cards the laws were changed to cover more forms of data retention. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02xcn7d http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b02xcn7d Abuses of surveillance are common, and long lasting.

pconf 13y ago

It actually started with the British whose spooks taught it to the US' Herbert Hoover before WWII. Read "Enemies: A History of the FBI by Tim Weiner" <http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/enemies-fbi-history-weiner-review> http://www.theguardian.com/books/2012/mar/30/enemies-fbi-his... for the definitive historical overview of how domestic spying and its abuse got started. George Orwell foresaw the potential for abuse long before 1948 when he wrote "1984" <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four>.