It might well be experience, I haven't used ruby a great deal. I wanted to do something similar to izip in Python and couldn't see a way to do that without cons

It might well be experience, I haven't used ruby a great deal. I wanted to do something similar to izip in Python and couldn't see a way to do that without constructing lists in Ruby. I completely disagree with having to write lots of boilerplate and java-esque code. I've written huge amounts of Python, and seeing Java after that really made me wince. What does Python lack that makes you feel you need boilerplate? I don't think the one-way-to-do-it thing is that dogmatic, really. It does make code nicer when you don't have to be aware of various aliased methods, and there are less ways of making identical code look different.