yeah i agree it may not be ultra-streamlined for rapid application development yet, but i don't have any critical work i need to do with it. to me it's really j

yeah i agree it may not be ultra-streamlined for rapid application development yet, but i don't have any critical work i need to do with it. to me it's really just an excuse to learn Akka. When I read about Netflix's async Java libraries (RxJava I think its called) I realized how the Java world really has an edge in making advanced web apps. The more polished frameworks are better for building apps quickly, sure, but as a technically-oriented developer (I am full-stack, usually above DSL) I'm more interested in making my mark by understanding some useful persistence/eventing/concurrency stuff. If we can master this, I believe it will be the thing that finally brings a unified model to web app development that simplifies the entire end-to-end flow without requiring redundant code or limited choices about persistence scopes. It's strange that they don't have some scaffolding and authentication features, but as you said they'll come in time. It's just odd because they are on the more trivial end of the toolset. But that doesn't turn me off and maybe that's the point. It's not really meant for someone trying to make a CRUD app. Sure it should and will be able to do this well, but to me the JVM is the place where people are really trying to dig past CRUD and get to some novel data-and-event-driven apps. Lucky for me this is something I'm learning as a hobby so I don't have to support production-level apps with it anyway. But yeah to me it feels like they've taken a lot of the attractive features of Django/RoR and backed them with some more serious language features. This may be a bit delusional since I guess Ruby & Python are legitimate in their own right, but.... well, as you can tell, I'm more excited for a JVM language to try to introduce stronger modern design patterns into the framework world. MVC on it's own is dead & done (er... solved), it's the extra unifying logic layers that are more important now.