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Your claim is the exact opposite of what he wrote. Do you have any evidence?

by dspeyer 13y ago

ericabiz 13y ago
Here: http://stevepavlinalies.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/why-steve-pavlina-is-closing-his-forums/ http://stevepavlinalies.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/why-steve-p... (Note: I am not the person you replied to; I was also around the Steve Pavlina forums/website at the time, and know several of the "insiders" personally, though I wasn't a frequent poster there.)
- jdbernard 13y ago
  Hm. stevepavlinalies.com? I have no history with this issue, but this whole site seems to sit around DH0 and DH1 (see http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html). I have a hard time accepting this as unbiased and factual. If anything, this site seems to be an example of the type of user Steve claims derailed the forums to the point he needed to shut them down.
  - ericabiz 13y ago
    The GP asked for citations; I picked the first one that came up in a Google search. I'm also privy to the issue, having been involved in the community at the time (as, I'm guessing, was the OP "Dewie", though I don't know who he is IRL or if I know him as well.) You now have three different people explaining this side of the story--and I'm sure there are plenty more Google-able references out there.
vinceguidry 13y ago
I was a member of both forums. I watched the whole thing go down and participated in the discussion, including a short correspondence with Steve. The GP is correct in his characterization, as was Steve in his post. Steve had been mulling over the 'forum problem' for some time, not really sure what to do with it. The discovery of the alternate forum was what finally tipped his hand. There was a sense of betrayal and it pervaded his posts and his actions in the last few days before he killed it. The other forum itself was, as the GP put it, a very private, invite-only community. It remains so to this day. They started it because of a disagreement in how the board was being moderated. Many long-time Pavlina posters were disappointed when very personal posts became fodder for vitriol and they perceived that nothing was being done. After about a year of this, they voted with their feet and went to the new place. I witnessed a very curious dynamic in the last few days. The members Steve was complaining about with the "sense of entitlement" and the members who'd started the new forum were exactly the same. There were lots of hurt feelings flying around and a lot of things were said that would have been better left unsaid. Steve wielded his ban-hammer with little concern, perhaps because he'd already decided to shut it all down. I detected a bit of unacknowledged self-serving-ness in Steve's blog post concerning the shutdown. Everybody was cool with Steve's benevolent dictatorship, but after awhile he'd just moved on, not posting much if at all. I guess he thought that the king could leave the castle for years and the subjects would just welcome him back with open arms when he finally steps back in and hands out royal decrees. His blog post swept a lot of stuff under the rug, that, honestly, probably should have been, but he didn't take responsibility for any of the bad stuff and just pawned it off on the new forum. The situation definitely needed to be rectified, but his handling left a lot to be desired.
- vinceguidry 13y ago
  I was going to go search through the forum archives to find relevant threads, but he took them down. Though, if memory serves, he'd deleted most of that ugly firestorm anyway, particularly the parts that one could use to paint him in a negative light.
wendolinegulla 13y ago
He's right. The new forum is at http://pdforyou.com/ http://pdforyou.com/ and you can go read all about it there, if they haven't buried the drama. The people in this online personal development community have a love/hate relationship with internet drama. Steve Pavlina was the biggest of them all of course.
- vinceguidry 13y ago
  I doubt they buried anything, but you'd need a login to read any of it. I have one, but I'm not about to violate these people's privacy just to satisfy a morbid curiosity.

Your claim is the exact opposite of what he wrote. Do you have any evidence?

by dspeyer 13y ago

Your claim is the exact opposite of what he wrote. Do you have any evidence?

Here: http://stevepavlinalies.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/why-steve-pavlina-is-closing-his-forums/ http://stevepavlinalies.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/why-steve-p... (Note: I am not the person you replied to; I was also around the Steve Pavlina forums/website at the time, and know several of the "insiders" personally, though I wasn't a frequent poster there.)

jdbernard 13y ago
Hm. stevepavlinalies.com? I have no history with this issue, but this whole site seems to sit around DH0 and DH1 (see http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html). I have a hard time accepting this as unbiased and factual. If anything, this site seems to be an example of the type of user Steve claims derailed the forums to the point he needed to shut them down.
- ericabiz 13y ago
  The GP asked for citations; I picked the first one that came up in a Google search. I'm also privy to the issue, having been involved in the community at the time (as, I'm guessing, was the OP "Dewie", though I don't know who he is IRL or if I know him as well.) You now have three different people explaining this side of the story--and I'm sure there are plenty more Google-able references out there.

vinceguidry 13y ago

I was a member of both forums. I watched the whole thing go down and participated in the discussion, including a short correspondence with Steve. The GP is correct in his characterization, as was Steve in his post. Steve had been mulling over the 'forum problem' for some time, not really sure what to do with it. The discovery of the alternate forum was what finally tipped his hand. There was a sense of betrayal and it pervaded his posts and his actions in the last few days before he killed it. The other forum itself was, as the GP put it, a very private, invite-only community. It remains so to this day. They started it because of a disagreement in how the board was being moderated. Many long-time Pavlina posters were disappointed when very personal posts became fodder for vitriol and they perceived that nothing was being done. After about a year of this, they voted with their feet and went to the new place. I witnessed a very curious dynamic in the last few days. The members Steve was complaining about with the "sense of entitlement" and the members who'd started the new forum were exactly the same. There were lots of hurt feelings flying around and a lot of things were said that would have been better left unsaid. Steve wielded his ban-hammer with little concern, perhaps because he'd already decided to shut it all down. I detected a bit of unacknowledged self-serving-ness in Steve's blog post concerning the shutdown. Everybody was cool with Steve's benevolent dictatorship, but after awhile he'd just moved on, not posting much if at all. I guess he thought that the king could leave the castle for years and the subjects would just welcome him back with open arms when he finally steps back in and hands out royal decrees. His blog post swept a lot of stuff under the rug, that, honestly, probably should have been, but he didn't take responsibility for any of the bad stuff and just pawned it off on the new forum. The situation definitely needed to be rectified, but his handling left a lot to be desired.

vinceguidry 13y ago
I was going to go search through the forum archives to find relevant threads, but he took them down. Though, if memory serves, he'd deleted most of that ugly firestorm anyway, particularly the parts that one could use to paint him in a negative light.

wendolinegulla 13y ago

He's right. The new forum is at http://pdforyou.com/ http://pdforyou.com/ and you can go read all about it there, if they haven't buried the drama. The people in this online personal development community have a love/hate relationship with internet drama. Steve Pavlina was the biggest of them all of course.

vinceguidry 13y ago
I doubt they buried anything, but you'd need a login to read any of it. I have one, but I'm not about to violate these people's privacy just to satisfy a morbid curiosity.