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There is no 'they' in this picture, nor a thing that can be personified (i.e. an asshole). It's just a currently broken set of institutions. There's no reason t

by iwwr 13y ago

There is no 'they' in this picture, nor a thing that can be personified (i.e. an asshole). It's just a currently broken set of institutions. There's no reason to be angry at institutions, only persons. Direct that anger at particular elected officials, the president, congressmen, and at particular people that act as enablers: people in the media, press or private persons in some (corporate) power that are advocating surveillance.

consonants 13y ago
Disable the legal apparatuses that these institutions derive the legitimacy of their actions from so we aren't enabling the next set of abusers after we take the current one out. That means stricter regulations of privacy and information security in both public and private sectors, along with transparency reforms.
chongli 13y ago
It's just a currently broken set of institutions. There's no reason to be angry at institutions, only persons. Direct that anger at particular elected officials It's funny that you should mention that. I'd argue that institutions are responsible for the elected officials as well. One might even argue that the entire system is so broken that it all needs to be torn down and rebuilt.
- jotm 13y ago
  No, we just need to replace them with autonomous AIs :-)
camus2 13y ago
> It's just a currently broken set of institutions. no it's not , these institutions work as intended by those who put them in place. And frankly these institutions are not about "terrorism", they are here for industrial espionnage.
- astrange 13y ago
  Have any leaked documents mentioned industrial espionage?
  - gmuslera 13y ago
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-usa-security-snowden-petrobras-idUSBRE9870AD20130908 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-usa-security-sn... Either Petrobras (Brasilian state owned oil company) is a terrorist training camp, or they are doing industrial espionage there. And I don't think that this 50000 networks ( http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/ http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-compu... ) have backdoors installed by the NSA for the terrorists neither.
gmuslera 13y ago
No single water drop should be blamed for the flood? Every person that had in its power to stop or report on this and didn't should be blamed. Every single person that authorised each step forward this program and state of things should be blamed too. And, of course, every single person that used this for his or his company profit should be in jail. If nothing of this happens, then the entire system and all involved are guilty.

by iwwr 13y ago

consonants 13y ago

Disable the legal apparatuses that these institutions derive the legitimacy of their actions from so we aren't enabling the next set of abusers after we take the current one out. That means stricter regulations of privacy and information security in both public and private sectors, along with transparency reforms.

chongli 13y ago

It's just a currently broken set of institutions. There's no reason to be angry at institutions, only persons. Direct that anger at particular elected officials It's funny that you should mention that. I'd argue that institutions are responsible for the elected officials as well. One might even argue that the entire system is so broken that it all needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

jotm 13y ago
No, we just need to replace them with autonomous AIs :-)

camus2 13y ago

> It's just a currently broken set of institutions. no it's not , these institutions work as intended by those who put them in place. And frankly these institutions are not about "terrorism", they are here for industrial espionnage.

astrange 13y ago
Have any leaked documents mentioned industrial espionage?
- gmuslera 13y ago
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-usa-security-snowden-petrobras-idUSBRE9870AD20130908 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/08/us-usa-security-sn... Either Petrobras (Brasilian state owned oil company) is a terrorist training camp, or they are doing industrial espionage there. And I don't think that this 50000 networks ( http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-computer-networks-with-malicious-software/ http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2013/11/23/nsa-infected-50000-compu... ) have backdoors installed by the NSA for the terrorists neither.

gmuslera 13y ago

No single water drop should be blamed for the flood? Every person that had in its power to stop or report on this and didn't should be blamed. Every single person that authorised each step forward this program and state of things should be blamed too. And, of course, every single person that used this for his or his company profit should be in jail. If nothing of this happens, then the entire system and all involved are guilty.