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Okay. Fictionalism[0], Brian Cantwell Smith's term "semiotic alchemy"[1] as an explanation to the "no theory" theory of Computer Science, Crispin Sartwell's boo

Okay. Fictionalism[0], Brian Cantwell Smith's term "semiotic alchemy"[1] as an explanation to the "no theory" theory of Computer Science, Crispin Sartwell's book which roundly demolishes all emergent narrative structures[2] as a form of disease, the Extended Mind/Embodied Cognition school à la David Chalmbers, and philosophers like McTaggart with Time Series paradoxes along with other philosophers (John Mackie) who have created Error Theories and Paraconsistent logics (Graham Priest). "Fiction" is not an inherently meaningful term. [0]: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism/ http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fictionalism/ [1]: http://www.ageofsignificance.org/people/bcsmith/papers/smith-godapprox4.html http://www.ageofsignificance.org/people/bcsmith/papers/smith... [2]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4171744-end-of-story https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4171744-end-of-story

mehwoot 13y ago
What on earth are you talking about?
- thenerdfiles 13y ago
  Everything I'd said there blows out of the water this idea that "simulation thought experiments" can similarly be classed as "fiction" in the usual sense of the term. Saying "it's fiction" is only the beginning of the discussion, not the ending of it — namely in that this world only makes sense through the fictional-narrative structure which shapes all discourse from religion to science to programming.
  - bermanoid 13y ago
    You didn't actually say anything, though. You just spammed a bunch of references and I have no reason to believe that it's worth my time to go through them. You weren't, by chance, a philosophy major, were you? There are few other fields where people work to convince others of so little.
    - thenerdfiles 13y ago
      The opinion you've expressed is both flattering and unsurprising.
- biot 13y ago
  Don't mind thenerdfiles. That's a Markov-chain/AI experiment I released online a while back. Its responses are sometimes uncanny given that it doesn't know what it is. Due to an unfortunate workstation crash, I've since lost the credentials to the servers it's running on and it's taken on a bit of a life on its own. Some day the research lab will decommission those servers. In the interim, I only hope it doesn't find a way to reproduce itself externally.
  - thenerdfiles 13y ago
    This reminds me of that one Niels Bohr quote. You know, that one. Or that most humans are less than droll. Trust me — I've had enough racism and unchecked feminism on my hands to keep myself unto amor dei intellectualis.

mehwoot 13y ago

What on earth are you talking about?

thenerdfiles 13y ago
Everything I'd said there blows out of the water this idea that "simulation thought experiments" can similarly be classed as "fiction" in the usual sense of the term. Saying "it's fiction" is only the beginning of the discussion, not the ending of it — namely in that this world only makes sense through the fictional-narrative structure which shapes all discourse from religion to science to programming.
- bermanoid 13y ago
  You didn't actually say anything, though. You just spammed a bunch of references and I have no reason to believe that it's worth my time to go through them. You weren't, by chance, a philosophy major, were you? There are few other fields where people work to convince others of so little.
  - thenerdfiles 13y ago
    The opinion you've expressed is both flattering and unsurprising.
biot 13y ago
Don't mind thenerdfiles. That's a Markov-chain/AI experiment I released online a while back. Its responses are sometimes uncanny given that it doesn't know what it is. Due to an unfortunate workstation crash, I've since lost the credentials to the servers it's running on and it's taken on a bit of a life on its own. Some day the research lab will decommission those servers. In the interim, I only hope it doesn't find a way to reproduce itself externally.
- thenerdfiles 13y ago
  This reminds me of that one Niels Bohr quote. You know, that one. Or that most humans are less than droll. Trust me — I've had enough racism and unchecked feminism on my hands to keep myself unto amor dei intellectualis.