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Yes. Downloading an album or movie without paying for it is illegal. This isn't in dispute. I think it is in substantial dispute. Can you cite a case of someo

by Amadou 13y ago

Yes. Downloading an album or movie without paying for it is illegal. This isn't in dispute. I think it is in substantial dispute. Can you cite a case of someone in the US being successfully prosecuted for downloading? Note that this precludes bittorrent, gnutella, etc situations where downloading means simultaneously uploading. Outside of the US there are plenty of countries where it has been made explicit in the law that downloading is OK. Some even going so far as to include the uploading portion of torrenting, etc as legal too. Canada: http://archive.is/W0mdI http://archive.is/W0mdI Netherlands: http://torrentfreak.com/dutch-parliament-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal-111224/ http://torrentfreak.com/dutch-parliament-downloading-movies-... Spain: http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/21/spanish-pirate-site-owners-to-get-six-years-jailtime-but-users-off-the-hook/?ncid=tcdaily http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/21/spanish-pirate-site-owners-...

res0nat0r 13y ago
> I think it is in substantial dispute. Can you cite a case of someone in the US being successfully prosecuted for downloading? Note that this precludes bittorrent, gnutella, etc situations where downloading means simultaneously uploading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fastlink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fastlink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Site_Down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Site_Down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer Note: Just because I don't have any cases offhand of my friends fined for jaywalking, doesn't mean it isn't against the law. > Outside of the US there are plenty of countries where it has been made explicit in the law that downloading is OK. Some even going so far as to include the uploading portion of torrenting, etc as legal too. I don't know much about the Dutch law, but it is supplemented by a 'piracy tax', ie, storage devices are more expensive to purchase among other things.
- Amadou 13y ago
  Note: Just because I don't have any cases offhand of my friends fined for jaywalking, doesn't mean it isn't against the law. That's putting your arguments into the realm of faith. If those three citations are any indication, your faith is misplaced. All of those were for people doing distribution (e.g. uploading). None of them were for downloading. I don't think it is much to ask for you to have just one definite case to back up your claim that the legality of downloading is not in dispute. Just one. Here's one for jaywalking: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/raquel-nelson-jail-for-jaywalking_b_905925.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/raquel-nelson-jai...
  - tedunangst 13y ago
    Somehow there's this weird gap where people completely freak out over the difference between stealing and copying, but the difference between uploading and downloading just slides right by.
  - res0nat0r 13y ago
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fined+for+downloading http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fined+for+downloading
    - Amadou 13y ago
      I went through the first four hits on that. All of them included uploading. Please pick a case that you are confident supports your claims and then we can examine it. As a point of order, the surest way to admit you are wrong is to tell the other person to "google it." It isn't anyone else's job to prove you are right.

by Amadou 13y ago

res0nat0r 13y ago

> I think it is in substantial dispute. Can you cite a case of someone in the US being successfully prosecuted for downloading? Note that this precludes bittorrent, gnutella, etc situations where downloading means simultaneously uploading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fastlink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fastlink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Site_Down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Site_Down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Buccaneer Note: Just because I don't have any cases offhand of my friends fined for jaywalking, doesn't mean it isn't against the law. > Outside of the US there are plenty of countries where it has been made explicit in the law that downloading is OK. Some even going so far as to include the uploading portion of torrenting, etc as legal too. I don't know much about the Dutch law, but it is supplemented by a 'piracy tax', ie, storage devices are more expensive to purchase among other things.

Amadou 13y ago
Note: Just because I don't have any cases offhand of my friends fined for jaywalking, doesn't mean it isn't against the law. That's putting your arguments into the realm of faith. If those three citations are any indication, your faith is misplaced. All of those were for people doing distribution (e.g. uploading). None of them were for downloading. I don't think it is much to ask for you to have just one definite case to back up your claim that the legality of downloading is not in dispute. Just one. Here's one for jaywalking: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/raquel-nelson-jail-for-jaywalking_b_905925.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/radley-balko/raquel-nelson-jai...
- tedunangst 13y ago
  Somehow there's this weird gap where people completely freak out over the difference between stealing and copying, but the difference between uploading and downloading just slides right by.
- res0nat0r 13y ago
  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fined+for+downloading http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fined+for+downloading
  - Amadou 13y ago
    I went through the first four hits on that. All of them included uploading. Please pick a case that you are confident supports your claims and then we can examine it. As a point of order, the surest way to admit you are wrong is to tell the other person to "google it." It isn't anyone else's job to prove you are right.