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The most recent version... that I cannot install in my Galaxy Nexus, which is barely two years old. I've been an Apple hater all my life, but this, Google, thi

by omegote 13y ago

The most recent version... that I cannot install in my Galaxy Nexus, which is barely two years old. I've been an Apple hater all my life, but this, Google, this is epic bullshit.

coldtea 13y ago
>I've been an Apple hater all my life Isn't that a sad thing to be? And for most people mostly stemming out of reverse hipsterism, nonetheless...
- reginaldjcooper 13y ago
  That's not a sad thing to be, at least recently. Apple is one of the major enemies of personal computing freedom.
  - coldtea 13y ago
    I don't know, I seen to have a free compiler on my Apple laptop. And a handheld mobile OS with unprecedented capabilities people would be dreaming of just a decade ago -- that I can code for by spending like $100, including the ability to release my apps to half a billion with credit cards at the ready. Perhaps if you're young enough to only remember the "everything must be FOSS" times, and not the times we paid $100-$300 for a proprietary compiler this seems very restrictive.
    - reginaldjcooper 13y ago
      I guess you can download the LLVM source but that has nothing to do with Apple. > that I can code for by spending like $100 Odd that you think that's freedom, because I can put my own apps on my own phone for actual free. I can put other people's apps on my own phone without signing up for an app store and without a third party's permission. I can send my apps to anyone I want and charge them via my own payment processor if I want. I agree we now have a "handheld mobile OS with unprecedented capabilities" and that iOS and the App Store were incredibly innovative a few years ago. But the problem is not whether or not I am allowed to develop an app, the problem is whether or not I am allowed to use my device on my terms. I couldn't even add a caller blacklist on iOS. Also let's say I without any argument accept the idea that the past was less free. That still doesn't make what Apple are doing now free in any shape or form, that's just a flat-out logical fallacy. If you have to appeal to a worse past to explain how you are relatively free you have basically conceded the argument.
- omegote 13y ago
  It would be a sad thing to be if I did it with no reason. But I've been a huge open source supporter all my life, and I've always found Apple strategies to be undesirable, to say the least. Their products have always been overpriced and hard to use if you're not into their ecosystem (say, transfering a mp3 file from Linux to an iPod nano).
  - coldtea 13y ago
    >Their products have always been overpriced I found quite the opposite. Nothing quite beats their prices. Here's an easy example: when the iPad came out at $499, the first competing touch tablets come out at $749 (and of course were crap compared to it too). It took competitors years to reach and go below iPad level prices. You also have to know what you're getting and compare like for like. You cannot compare a machine on the medium or lower end of the market with one on the upper end. Hi-end offerings from Dell, Sony etc, are the same (or usually more) expensive as Apple's offering, when you match features. And you still don't get them all. Was trying to get a PC laptop to match a Retina MPB the other day. I added the configuration options to match it and got it as far as $1700 for the PC laptop on the vendor website. It also had a VGA port as standard, that the MBP doesn't have. Seems like a bargain compared to the MBP I targeted that's $2599, right? Only the PC didn't have hidpi screen, had half the memory (8 vs 16GB), had a 750 HD and not a 512 SSD. Those differences easily match or surpass the $900 difference. What it also didn't have that isn't easily measured, but matters a lot? -- it wasn't as light (I carry my laptop a lot). -- it wasn't as battery effiecient (I use my laptop outside a lot). Heck, I'd pay the $900 even just for the twice as much battery life. When you add the with SSD vs HD, hidpi vs plain monitor and weight, it's a no-brainer. And there's other, minor stuff that adds up: it didn't have as a solid construction, it didn't have a magsafe-like power connector (tripping on a wire means the laptop goes down -- and I've had that happen in the past), it didn't have a multitouch-glass trackpad, it didn't have an illuminated keyboard, it's thicker, etc etc. Oh, and it didn't come with OS X (and for free!). I had to make do with the crappy Windows 8. Just that would be worth more than the $900 difference to me.
    - omegote 13y ago
      Your last paragraph really takes away all the impartiality your comment seemed to have. Anyway, it would have been great to know which models you were exactly comparing, because I don't believe what you say about the PC being that bad. Also, there are some features in the MBP that don't make sense in a PC. For instance, retina display. GOOD LUCK with that resolution in a 15" display using anything other than OSX. Or the battery life. Of course a MacBook is going to have a longer battery life. They have iron-fisted control over everything, from the software to the hardware. It would be hilarious if with such dictatorial control they didn't have good battery life.
chinpokomon 13y ago
As a Galaxy Nexus owner myself, it doesn't look like Google has a choice. The original vendor of the chipset is no longer around to update drivers. You can't wring blood from a stone.
- rquirk 13y ago
  If Google wanted to, they'd figure out a way. It just isn't in their interest. They only care about the new shiny. We'll see what happens with the 2012 Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 this time next year. They'll probably be discontinued too, as none of the Nexus lines have had updates for more than 2 years.
- hrjet 13y ago
  Their top of the line Nexus 10 has issues which they are not able to fix. They are shipping a crippled version of KitKat on Nexus 10 because of a graphics driver issue!

by omegote 13y ago

The most recent version... that I cannot install in my Galaxy Nexus, which is barely two years old. I've been an Apple hater all my life, but this, Google, this is epic bullshit.

coldtea 13y ago

>I've been an Apple hater all my life Isn't that a sad thing to be? And for most people mostly stemming out of reverse hipsterism, nonetheless...

reginaldjcooper 13y ago
That's not a sad thing to be, at least recently. Apple is one of the major enemies of personal computing freedom.
- coldtea 13y ago
  I don't know, I seen to have a free compiler on my Apple laptop. And a handheld mobile OS with unprecedented capabilities people would be dreaming of just a decade ago -- that I can code for by spending like $100, including the ability to release my apps to half a billion with credit cards at the ready. Perhaps if you're young enough to only remember the "everything must be FOSS" times, and not the times we paid $100-$300 for a proprietary compiler this seems very restrictive.
  - reginaldjcooper 13y ago
    I guess you can download the LLVM source but that has nothing to do with Apple. > that I can code for by spending like $100 Odd that you think that's freedom, because I can put my own apps on my own phone for actual free. I can put other people's apps on my own phone without signing up for an app store and without a third party's permission. I can send my apps to anyone I want and charge them via my own payment processor if I want. I agree we now have a "handheld mobile OS with unprecedented capabilities" and that iOS and the App Store were incredibly innovative a few years ago. But the problem is not whether or not I am allowed to develop an app, the problem is whether or not I am allowed to use my device on my terms. I couldn't even add a caller blacklist on iOS. Also let's say I without any argument accept the idea that the past was less free. That still doesn't make what Apple are doing now free in any shape or form, that's just a flat-out logical fallacy. If you have to appeal to a worse past to explain how you are relatively free you have basically conceded the argument.
omegote 13y ago
It would be a sad thing to be if I did it with no reason. But I've been a huge open source supporter all my life, and I've always found Apple strategies to be undesirable, to say the least. Their products have always been overpriced and hard to use if you're not into their ecosystem (say, transfering a mp3 file from Linux to an iPod nano).
- coldtea 13y ago
  >Their products have always been overpriced I found quite the opposite. Nothing quite beats their prices. Here's an easy example: when the iPad came out at $499, the first competing touch tablets come out at $749 (and of course were crap compared to it too). It took competitors years to reach and go below iPad level prices. You also have to know what you're getting and compare like for like. You cannot compare a machine on the medium or lower end of the market with one on the upper end. Hi-end offerings from Dell, Sony etc, are the same (or usually more) expensive as Apple's offering, when you match features. And you still don't get them all. Was trying to get a PC laptop to match a Retina MPB the other day. I added the configuration options to match it and got it as far as $1700 for the PC laptop on the vendor website. It also had a VGA port as standard, that the MBP doesn't have. Seems like a bargain compared to the MBP I targeted that's $2599, right? Only the PC didn't have hidpi screen, had half the memory (8 vs 16GB), had a 750 HD and not a 512 SSD. Those differences easily match or surpass the $900 difference. What it also didn't have that isn't easily measured, but matters a lot? -- it wasn't as light (I carry my laptop a lot). -- it wasn't as battery effiecient (I use my laptop outside a lot). Heck, I'd pay the $900 even just for the twice as much battery life. When you add the with SSD vs HD, hidpi vs plain monitor and weight, it's a no-brainer. And there's other, minor stuff that adds up: it didn't have as a solid construction, it didn't have a magsafe-like power connector (tripping on a wire means the laptop goes down -- and I've had that happen in the past), it didn't have a multitouch-glass trackpad, it didn't have an illuminated keyboard, it's thicker, etc etc. Oh, and it didn't come with OS X (and for free!). I had to make do with the crappy Windows 8. Just that would be worth more than the $900 difference to me.
  - omegote 13y ago
    Your last paragraph really takes away all the impartiality your comment seemed to have. Anyway, it would have been great to know which models you were exactly comparing, because I don't believe what you say about the PC being that bad. Also, there are some features in the MBP that don't make sense in a PC. For instance, retina display. GOOD LUCK with that resolution in a 15" display using anything other than OSX. Or the battery life. Of course a MacBook is going to have a longer battery life. They have iron-fisted control over everything, from the software to the hardware. It would be hilarious if with such dictatorial control they didn't have good battery life.

chinpokomon 13y ago

As a Galaxy Nexus owner myself, it doesn't look like Google has a choice. The original vendor of the chipset is no longer around to update drivers. You can't wring blood from a stone.

rquirk 13y ago
If Google wanted to, they'd figure out a way. It just isn't in their interest. They only care about the new shiny. We'll see what happens with the 2012 Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 this time next year. They'll probably be discontinued too, as none of the Nexus lines have had updates for more than 2 years.
hrjet 13y ago
Their top of the line Nexus 10 has issues which they are not able to fix. They are shipping a crippled version of KitKat on Nexus 10 because of a graphics driver issue!