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> Gold and silver have been around a long time, but both are still relatively volatile. Are gold and silver not less volatile than government-issued currencies

by jquery 13y ago

> Gold and silver have been around a long time, but both are still relatively volatile. Are gold and silver not less volatile than government-issued currencies, the long-term value of which has traditionally ended at $0?

dragonwriter 13y ago
> Are gold and silver not less volatile than government-issued currencies Which government issued currencies? Government issued currencies are not all alike. > the long-term value of which has traditionally ended at $0? Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them, and even so the market value of currency issued may not become zero, so the claim about ending value is suspect. More importantly, though, volatility isn't even related to ending value, so this claim would be a complete non-sequitur even if it was true.
- brownbat 13y ago
  >> the long-term value of which has traditionally ended at $0 > More importantly, though, volatility isn't even related to ending value Yeah, come heat death of the universe, ending value of all currencies will look pretty similar.
- jwallaceparker 13y ago
  > Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them I'm curious - can you point to one example of this happening? To my knowledge they've all gone to zero in a hyperinflation but I'd love to know of a counterexample.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > > Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them > I'm curious - can you point to one example of this happening? Obvious, clear, and fairly recent examples include all of the European currencies that were retired in favor of the Euro. > To my knowledge they've all gone to zero in a hyperinflation but I'd love to know of a counterexample. A number have been abandoned (and often replaced by a new currency with the same name) by the issuing state in the face of inflation (often not even at the level typically labelled "hyperinflation"), but the nature of the "fiat" in "fiat currency" essentially assures some minimal residual value as log as the issuing state remains functional as a state and does not abandon the currency. E.g., the pre-1993 Mexican Peso was withdrawn and replaced by the New Peso after a long period of double-digit annual inflation, but it neither "went to zero" (prior to being withdrawn) nor suffered hyperinflation (monthly inflation >50%.)

by jquery 13y ago

dragonwriter 13y ago

> Are gold and silver not less volatile than government-issued currencies Which government issued currencies? Government issued currencies are not all alike. > the long-term value of which has traditionally ended at $0? Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them, and even so the market value of currency issued may not become zero, so the claim about ending value is suspect. More importantly, though, volatility isn't even related to ending value, so this claim would be a complete non-sequitur even if it was true.

brownbat 13y ago
>> the long-term value of which has traditionally ended at $0 > More importantly, though, volatility isn't even related to ending value Yeah, come heat death of the universe, ending value of all currencies will look pretty similar.
jwallaceparker 13y ago
> Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them I'm curious - can you point to one example of this happening? To my knowledge they've all gone to zero in a hyperinflation but I'd love to know of a counterexample.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > > Fiat currencies only end if the issuing entity ceases to exist or abandons them > I'm curious - can you point to one example of this happening? Obvious, clear, and fairly recent examples include all of the European currencies that were retired in favor of the Euro. > To my knowledge they've all gone to zero in a hyperinflation but I'd love to know of a counterexample. A number have been abandoned (and often replaced by a new currency with the same name) by the issuing state in the face of inflation (often not even at the level typically labelled "hyperinflation"), but the nature of the "fiat" in "fiat currency" essentially assures some minimal residual value as log as the issuing state remains functional as a state and does not abandon the currency. E.g., the pre-1993 Mexican Peso was withdrawn and replaced by the New Peso after a long period of double-digit annual inflation, but it neither "went to zero" (prior to being withdrawn) nor suffered hyperinflation (monthly inflation >50%.)