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Right, and looking at stats like murder rates, incarceration numbers, etc. the US system is clearly working and superior. I can walk any street at 2am in Vienn

Right, and looking at stats like murder rates, incarceration numbers, etc. the US system is clearly working and superior. I can walk any street at 2am in Vienna without looking over my shoulder. Oakland? Philly? A personal gun doesn't stop anyone. Fantasy from lala land.

ctdonath 13y ago
Oakland & Philly, for most practical purposes, ban carry of guns outright. Outside of official "gun-free zones", where armed citizens are legal, crime is very low.
- pinaceae 13y ago
  so, in Vienna I can walk around unarmed, with zero risk of getting into a firefight and being hurt/killed. walk around as in drunk, with earbuds in, at 2am. in your gun-zones i need to carry concealed, know how to properly shoot and kill and have the risk of hurting/killing innocents. everyone loses in a real firefight. plus if i am drunk and carry stupid things happen. but the US model is clearly better. i need to arm myself to not get robbed.
  - ahomescu1 13y ago
    Proper policing lowers crime, not welfare. Many Eastern Europe countries have very generous welfare systems (for example, Romania's welfare is modeled somewhat on Sweden's), but we still have plenty of crime (you can get beaten/stabbed if walking through the wrong parts of town at night). Even if the state gives you free money, you can always use some more. The solution to crime is an efficient and honest police force (or at least 2nd Amendment-style self defense), not more welfare.
  - consonants 13y ago
    Don't forget your armed private security personnel to keep watch when you can't.
- Aloha 13y ago
  More guns is not the solution to stop crime. It's jobs, it's income, it's opportunity. People commit these petty crimes, join gangs, and so on - simply because there are no other options open to them - there are no jobs they can get to - beyond that our broken education system didn't give them the skills to hold a job.
- tdfx 13y ago
  Getting a concealed carry permit in Philadelphia is not that difficult. They also honor CCW permits from many other states. Crime is not "low" in the neighborhoods where it's perfectly OK to carry a concealed weapon. I don't know who told you this.
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amerika_blog 13y ago
There are other factors involved in that situation which cannot be discussed here, comrade. One is the lack of cohesive national culture. Another is that, by approach the poor in an appeasement frame of mind, the USA has already induced them to riot/murder with impunity. Europe's policies don't work in the USA, and in fact, they don't work in Europe, which is bankrupt and collapsing fast.

ctdonath 13y ago

Oakland & Philly, for most practical purposes, ban carry of guns outright. Outside of official "gun-free zones", where armed citizens are legal, crime is very low.

pinaceae 13y ago
so, in Vienna I can walk around unarmed, with zero risk of getting into a firefight and being hurt/killed. walk around as in drunk, with earbuds in, at 2am. in your gun-zones i need to carry concealed, know how to properly shoot and kill and have the risk of hurting/killing innocents. everyone loses in a real firefight. plus if i am drunk and carry stupid things happen. but the US model is clearly better. i need to arm myself to not get robbed.
- ahomescu1 13y ago
  Proper policing lowers crime, not welfare. Many Eastern Europe countries have very generous welfare systems (for example, Romania's welfare is modeled somewhat on Sweden's), but we still have plenty of crime (you can get beaten/stabbed if walking through the wrong parts of town at night). Even if the state gives you free money, you can always use some more. The solution to crime is an efficient and honest police force (or at least 2nd Amendment-style self defense), not more welfare.
- consonants 13y ago
  Don't forget your armed private security personnel to keep watch when you can't.
Aloha 13y ago
More guns is not the solution to stop crime. It's jobs, it's income, it's opportunity. People commit these petty crimes, join gangs, and so on - simply because there are no other options open to them - there are no jobs they can get to - beyond that our broken education system didn't give them the skills to hold a job.
tdfx 13y ago
Getting a concealed carry permit in Philadelphia is not that difficult. They also honor CCW permits from many other states. Crime is not "low" in the neighborhoods where it's perfectly OK to carry a concealed weapon. I don't know who told you this.
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amerika_blog 13y ago

There are other factors involved in that situation which cannot be discussed here, comrade. One is the lack of cohesive national culture. Another is that, by approach the poor in an appeasement frame of mind, the USA has already induced them to riot/murder with impunity. Europe's policies don't work in the USA, and in fact, they don't work in Europe, which is bankrupt and collapsing fast.