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This is unpopular here, but I really believe that if you can't provide for yourself financially there is something seriously wrong with you, and I don't think t

This is unpopular here, but I really believe that if you can't provide for yourself financially there is something seriously wrong with you, and I don't think treating you like a child is unreasonable. Beyond washing and feeding yourself, getting an income is pretty much adulthood 101.

sp332 13y ago
Then why does unemployment fluctuate so much? Do you think the population just forgets how to make money occasionally?
- peterdundi 13y ago
  When unemployment fluctuates the bar for earning money is fluctuating. If you're the kind of person who is near that bar you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
  - sp332 13y ago
    Something external changed, and suddenly there's a problem with me? I need to look at myself, because someone else raised a bar? I think your point is bullshit. It's not like people are capable of making money when the mill shuts down. There is literally no money left in the town then.
    - simplemath 13y ago
      His point IS bullshit - if there is one to be gleaned at all. Its a classic cautionary tale in myopic argumentation - He's doing OK, so everyone else should be too, and if they aren't they aren't trying hard enough. Externality-free projection.
swalkergibson 13y ago
If someone has something seriously wrong with them, do you believe that degrading them further by "treating them like children" is going to effect the outcome you desire?
- randallsquared 13y ago
  Treating children like children might not better help them learn to be adults, either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Children_Seriously http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Children_Seriously
bryanlarsen 13y ago
If you don't know a good, hard-working person who is unemployed or drastically under-employed, there is something seriously wrong with you. You need to do something to get yourself out from the fantasy bubble that you live in. Do some travelling or take an effort to meet the disadvantaged in your neighborhood. Probably the easiest way to meet some of these people is to meet some single Mom's. Some of them meet the stereotype, sure, but many of them are in that scenario through no fault of their own.
vidarh 13y ago
If you believe you are fully in control of providing for yourself financially, you are either in a tiny little minority, or hopelessly naive.
chrislgrigg 13y ago
This is an extremely ignorant statement to make. Providing for yourself financially is easy if you have the right situation: support structure, upbringing, experience, opportunity, geography, luck, and attitude + thought process that is the typical result of all of those things. Your experience with getting an income leads you to think it is "pretty much adulthood 101" but there are no universal truths when it comes to this sort of thing.
consonants 13y ago
Nice first troll, but we troll about 2 irony-levels deeper around here. Establish a persona and then slowly interject believable bait for maximum care responses.
tghw 13y ago
You probably had a pretty good upbringing, right? I don't mean private schools and butlers. I mean school and parents that could provide a roof over your head and enough food to sustain you. Not everyone has that upbringing. Not having that upbringing is strongly correlated with living a life of poverty. In our system, some people start out with a significant disadvantage. Was it their fault? Of course not, they were born there. So why should they be punished because of which parents they had?
jusben1369 13y ago
This statement says much about you and very little about unemployment.
antimagic 13y ago
The reason that point of view is unpopular is because you don't appear to have taken into account the ever-increasing automation of our work, making it very difficult to earn a living without having a high level of education - something which many people are just not well-suited for. Not everyone can be an engineer, and those other people are supposed to do what with their lives? If we don't provide for them, they will find other ways of providing for themselves. Robbery, burglary, blackmail, whatever they can find. Personally I would rather make sure that people in that situation be freed from material concerns. Most people want to do something with their lives, and this will give them the time that is needed to do something creative rather than wasting their lives trying to earn enough to eat on a minimum wage job at McDonald's.
quinnchr 13y ago
This is unpopular here, but I really believe that if you can't manage to empathize with those different than you there is something seriously wrong with you, and I don't think treating you like an animal is unreasonable. Beyond breathing and feeding yourself, empathizing with other people is pretty much human being 101.

sp332 13y ago

Then why does unemployment fluctuate so much? Do you think the population just forgets how to make money occasionally?

peterdundi 13y ago
When unemployment fluctuates the bar for earning money is fluctuating. If you're the kind of person who is near that bar you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
- sp332 13y ago
  Something external changed, and suddenly there's a problem with me? I need to look at myself, because someone else raised a bar? I think your point is bullshit. It's not like people are capable of making money when the mill shuts down. There is literally no money left in the town then.
  - simplemath 13y ago
    His point IS bullshit - if there is one to be gleaned at all. Its a classic cautionary tale in myopic argumentation - He's doing OK, so everyone else should be too, and if they aren't they aren't trying hard enough. Externality-free projection.

swalkergibson 13y ago

If someone has something seriously wrong with them, do you believe that degrading them further by "treating them like children" is going to effect the outcome you desire?

randallsquared 13y ago
Treating children like children might not better help them learn to be adults, either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Children_Seriously http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_Children_Seriously

bryanlarsen 13y ago

If you don't know a good, hard-working person who is unemployed or drastically under-employed, there is something seriously wrong with you. You need to do something to get yourself out from the fantasy bubble that you live in. Do some travelling or take an effort to meet the disadvantaged in your neighborhood. Probably the easiest way to meet some of these people is to meet some single Mom's. Some of them meet the stereotype, sure, but many of them are in that scenario through no fault of their own.

vidarh 13y ago

If you believe you are fully in control of providing for yourself financially, you are either in a tiny little minority, or hopelessly naive.

chrislgrigg 13y ago

This is an extremely ignorant statement to make. Providing for yourself financially is easy if you have the right situation: support structure, upbringing, experience, opportunity, geography, luck, and attitude + thought process that is the typical result of all of those things. Your experience with getting an income leads you to think it is "pretty much adulthood 101" but there are no universal truths when it comes to this sort of thing.

consonants 13y ago

Nice first troll, but we troll about 2 irony-levels deeper around here. Establish a persona and then slowly interject believable bait for maximum care responses.

tghw 13y ago

You probably had a pretty good upbringing, right? I don't mean private schools and butlers. I mean school and parents that could provide a roof over your head and enough food to sustain you. Not everyone has that upbringing. Not having that upbringing is strongly correlated with living a life of poverty. In our system, some people start out with a significant disadvantage. Was it their fault? Of course not, they were born there. So why should they be punished because of which parents they had?

jusben1369 13y ago

This statement says much about you and very little about unemployment.

antimagic 13y ago

The reason that point of view is unpopular is because you don't appear to have taken into account the ever-increasing automation of our work, making it very difficult to earn a living without having a high level of education - something which many people are just not well-suited for. Not everyone can be an engineer, and those other people are supposed to do what with their lives? If we don't provide for them, they will find other ways of providing for themselves. Robbery, burglary, blackmail, whatever they can find. Personally I would rather make sure that people in that situation be freed from material concerns. Most people want to do something with their lives, and this will give them the time that is needed to do something creative rather than wasting their lives trying to earn enough to eat on a minimum wage job at McDonald's.

quinnchr 13y ago

This is unpopular here, but I really believe that if you can't manage to empathize with those different than you there is something seriously wrong with you, and I don't think treating you like an animal is unreasonable. Beyond breathing and feeding yourself, empathizing with other people is pretty much human being 101.