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Can anyone comment on how free this device will be? From what I recall, Sailfish is partially free software, but contains proprietary software as well which is

Can anyone comment on how free this device will be? From what I recall, Sailfish is partially free software, but contains proprietary software as well which is a real shame.

pekk 13y ago
What is your alternative?
- zokier 13y ago
  Nemo, replicant, webos? All fully free OSs afaik.
- daliusd 13y ago
  Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch
  - fulafel 13y ago
    The Firefox OS phone (Zte Open) has proprietary stuff.
    - rhelmer 13y ago
      Are there any phones that do not require proprietary drivers? I am not aware of any.
      - fulafel 13y ago
        Yes. The most free one is OpenMoko, even the baseband firmware: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/067276.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/0672... (runnig non-certified baseband firmware is illegal in many places however, from spectrum use regulations)
- davexunit 13y ago
  Replicant is the only project committed to software freedom that I know of.
buster 13y ago
https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html Our goal with the Sailfish OS is to develop an open source operating system in co-operation with the community, thus ensuring the development of a best-of-breed operating system. So it looks like the software will be open source. I just hope that the device will not be locked down..
- shmerl 13y ago
  So far there is no detailed information about which packages are free and which aren't. But it should appear fairly soon. I hope community will enumerate non free components.
- shmerl 13y ago
  UPDATE: See this: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState
  - buster 13y ago
    Oh, that's a real shame. From glancing at the list it seems like Jolla is still too much thinking in nokia/business/corporate terms. Looks like they just use open source as their platform for their own closed-source stuff.. Looks like everything in the opensource list is open source anyway and everything that jolla did is closed.. So no Jolla for me :(
    - shmerl 13y ago
      That's unfortunate, I agree, but they didn't say it will remain like this. It's surely far from what Mozilla does with consistent open development for example, but they still can open up Sailfish in the future. If you compare this to Android - it's already waay better. Having 100% open systems would be ideal of course. There is also Nemo Mobile, from which Sailfish derives most of the middleware (in addition to Mer). It is fully open. There is an on going work to redesign Nemo UI: * http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ * http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 Most probably Nemo will be easily installable on Jolla's handset. Or bootable from an SD card there, without wiping the preinstalled system. So this device is a big milestone for mobile Linux anyway, regardless the shortcomings of the closed parts in Sailfish.

Can anyone comment on how free this device will be? From what I recall, Sailfish is partially free software, but contains proprietary software as well which is a real shame.

pekk 13y ago

What is your alternative?

zokier 13y ago
Nemo, replicant, webos? All fully free OSs afaik.
daliusd 13y ago
Firefox OS, Ubuntu Touch
- fulafel 13y ago
  The Firefox OS phone (Zte Open) has proprietary stuff.
  - rhelmer 13y ago
    Are there any phones that do not require proprietary drivers? I am not aware of any.
    - fulafel 13y ago
      Yes. The most free one is OpenMoko, even the baseband firmware: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/067276.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2012-July/0672... (runnig non-certified baseband firmware is illegal in many places however, from spectrum use regulations)
davexunit 13y ago
Replicant is the only project committed to software freedom that I know of.

buster 13y ago

https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html https://sailfishos.org/about-license.html Our goal with the Sailfish OS is to develop an open source operating system in co-operation with the community, thus ensuring the development of a best-of-breed operating system. So it looks like the software will be open source. I just hope that the device will not be locked down..

shmerl 13y ago
So far there is no detailed information about which packages are free and which aren't. But it should appear fairly soon. I hope community will enumerate non free components.
shmerl 13y ago
UPDATE: See this: http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState http://piratepad.net/JollaSoftwareState
- buster 13y ago
  Oh, that's a real shame. From glancing at the list it seems like Jolla is still too much thinking in nokia/business/corporate terms. Looks like they just use open source as their platform for their own closed-source stuff.. Looks like everything in the opensource list is open source anyway and everything that jolla did is closed.. So no Jolla for me :(
  - shmerl 13y ago
    That's unfortunate, I agree, but they didn't say it will remain like this. It's surely far from what Mozilla does with consistent open development for example, but they still can open up Sailfish in the future. If you compare this to Android - it's already waay better. Having 100% open systems would be ideal of course. There is also Nemo Mobile, from which Sailfish derives most of the middleware (in addition to Mer). It is fully open. There is an on going work to redesign Nemo UI: * http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ * http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 Most probably Nemo will be easily installable on Jolla's handset. Or bootable from an SD card there, without wiping the preinstalled system. So this device is a big milestone for mobile Linux anyway, regardless the shortcomings of the closed parts in Sailfish.