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Well, here we go again. You'll call me a cock, and then I'll rip you in half verbally, and then you'll forget that you called me a cock and go off telling ever

by zedshaw 13y ago

Well, here we go again. You'll call me a cock, and then I'll rip you in half verbally, and then you'll forget that you called me a cock and go off telling everyone I'm such a big bad bullying meanie for all the horrible awful things I said to you, and then I'll be crushed by the general opinion all you highly influential meaningful people have about me that I'll... Wait, actually I don't give a fuck what you think. I'm busy helping people while you're busy calling me a cock. Fuck you.

avenger123 13y ago
Nice, thanks for the laughs.
Namrog84 13y ago
Hah brilliant!
singular 13y ago
...but this comment which is sincere, genuine and offered to someone for whom this could be greatly helpful has made me seriously reconsider. Kudos. I felt you'd appreciate an unhedged opinion rather than me adding a bunch of weasel words like "I had the impression, right or wrong, that you were a bullying cock..." I meant to say, very sincerely, that I was moved by your offer of help and it very much made me reconsider my opinion, as that gesture of kindness is really at odds with that impression of you. So - sorry for calling you a cock. I thought what you did here was very noble and I admire it. I just felt there was no other way of expressing what I felt without being cowardly and weasel-worded about it.
- manmal 13y ago
  If there is no way to express something without hurting either yourself or the other one, express yourself on a different topic. I would hate this comment too if it were directed at me.
  - Tarks 13y ago
    Terrible, terrible advice. Every interaction with someone carries the chance of impact, the closer you get to talking about things related to or stemming from their core values the higher the chance you'll provoke a strong reaction (positive or negative). If you're not willing to potentially (perhaps not intentionally) express a viewpoint that could hurt the other person, then you'll be forever only talking about unimportant gumf or giving half-stated opinions that might not get the gravitas of a situation across. Looking someone dead in the eye and without ego telling them "You're fucking up right now. Here's why" is a loving thing to do, and I'm thankful that someone cared enough to "hurt me"
    - manmal 13y ago
      Well it's a different kind of thing to say "I think you're a cock" vs "Hey I think you're doing this wrong - I'd do this and that to improve". While the latter can have the impact you describe, the former will just create alienation and destroys any basis of sensible communication. As demonstrated above. Hurting is optional for learning. And personally I think it's entirely disposable.
      - Tarks 13y ago
        First paragraph : Note that he didn't say that. Revealing a previous passive observation versus giving advice is different. He was basically just trying to say "I think I've had the wrong impression of you", but perhaps wanted to let him know just how strong of a negative impression he had. To me it read more like a sort-of public apology for holding a mistaken belief about Zed's character and possibly nudging others to reconsider any similar viewpoints. Second point: Yup, optional just like most tools, and just like most tools there's always a set specific challenges where it can work wonders compared to the rest of the shed. Your mileage may vary but I'd be very surprised if you can't think of a single lesson you've remembered better because there was some pain involved, we're supposedly hardwired to better remember those lessons, for obvious life-prolonging reasons.
        dhimes 13y ago
- scrrr 13y ago
  What a world, what a world. If a man helps another man, which I consider normal and I thought everyone would, you are "moved" when someone is nice. On the other hand it's a scandal if someone seems unfriendly, even though their actions are kind. Stop please. And as parent wrote, nobody really cares that you changed your opinion. Opinions are nothing, you know. Actions on the other hand really count.
- j1o1h1n 13y ago
  I hate to be go all happy family on you, but please avoid swear words in a public forum like hacker news. There are enough forums where that sort of behaviour is a part of the culture and it degrades everyone.
  - michaelgrafl 13y ago
    I would assume that discouraging people from speaking their minds the way they feel like to is more harmful to a community than having to tolerate the occasional cuss word. I know this is just a plea of yours, not an order, but it still comes across as patronizing to me. If you hate going all happy family on someone, don't do it. It will achieve nothing but aggravate them.
  - nollidge 13y ago
    What you're actually asking is for people to repress their emotions, and that's way more degrading.
    - overgryphon 13y ago
      There are many ways to express emotions.
      - pvirgiliu 13y ago
        Ah... and you know the right way.
        qstyk 13y ago
        In a civil, intellectual manner that shows deliberate thought, as opposed to letting garbage tumble from the mouth, perhaps?
  - walesmd 13y ago
    I don't see a single fucking swear word in his reply...
- Sicp 13y ago
  is this guy you're referring to something of a celebrity?
wellboy 13y ago
Why not try turning the attack into a compliment and make the attacker love, that's what alpha males do. :) If you need to say fuckk, your original point wasn't strong enough and you needed to reinforce it. Saying fuck normally should be used to create rapport with someone and allowing him to use the word too. Welp, quite some deep psycho analysis shit here.^^
happywolf 13y ago
Am I the only one laughing after reading Zed's comment? Haha, nice reply :P
JanezStupar 13y ago
I love you Zed. I would bear manbabies for you. I can remember the old days when there wouldn't be a week without Zedshaw this and Zedshaw that on HN. And the very fact I love you is your pure, raw, passionate ethics. I like you because you do not just ignore dumbasses. You give them a chance to see gravity of their delusion and to repent. If that means taking a dude and rubbing his nose into the poo, then be it. Zedshaw is like an amplifying mirror. Be nice to him and he will reflect and amplify the niceness. Take him for a fool... Brace down for some Righteous Fury (tm).
Angostura 13y ago
I think you greatly misunderstood the intent of that message. Still, I doubt you give a fuck what I think either, so as you were.
- gress 13y ago
  I don't think Zed misunderstood anything. That poster is standing in judgement of Zed, and has Zed expressed his reaction.
tifareth 13y ago
People like you - the genuinely transparent and fearless - are the only ones capable of sincere gestures. The scoundrels and cowards hate you because your honesty makes them self-conscious, so they'll fight you on grounds of "politeness". Thank you for your honesty. Whether you care or not, know that the people that value it -truly- do (unlike the cooze that reacted on you). Also, thank you for your amazing coding lessons. Your CLI book/guide is largely responsible for helping me land my current job. I have ADHD:PI and find your "cut through the bullshit" method of teaching INCREDIBLE. I've purchased your Python book and look forward to the experience.
- no-brainer 13y ago
  I'll upvote any use of the word "cooze" especially one so apt.
  - tifareth 13y ago
    ;D
- JackFr 13y ago
  > People like you - the genuinely transparent and fearless - are the only ones capable of sincere gestures. Bullshit. I assure you that I am very little like Zed -- apart from my fear and opaqueness, I also appreciate the mean as an excellent first-order summary statistic -- and yet I am very sincere in my belief that your response is pure vacuity.
  - tifareth 13y ago
    How can someone opaque and fearful make sincere gestures? Sincerity is only possible through honesty and integrity. Honesty and integrity require courage. As for the mean as a first-order statistic, we clearly have different values... I like mine better. Cheers!
digitalzombie 13y ago
I actually like your personality. You're one of the few people that don't take shit and actually stand by your actions/words. Even with all the people shitting on your online persona, you continue to work, you've produce some stuff that people enjoy (learn the hard way), it's really admirable.
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throwawaykf 13y ago
Hmm, I didn't read his reply that way. Maybe you're just going off... half-cocked?
codex 13y ago
This entire post should be about the OP, and now it is about ZS. Can we just delete this entire subtree, please?
smoofles 13y ago
> Wait, actually I don't give a fuck what you think. I'm busy helping people while you're busy calling me a cock. Fuck you. You so don’t give a fuck that you replied straight away. But at least you didn’t have to repeat how busy you are helping people, since the poster you so-don’t-care-about-that you-had-to-reply-to specifically called it out as noble, amirite? Whether the post was ment ironic or not: golfclap

by zedshaw 13y ago

avenger123 13y ago

Nice, thanks for the laughs.

Namrog84 13y ago

Hah brilliant!

singular 13y ago

...but this comment which is sincere, genuine and offered to someone for whom this could be greatly helpful has made me seriously reconsider. Kudos. I felt you'd appreciate an unhedged opinion rather than me adding a bunch of weasel words like "I had the impression, right or wrong, that you were a bullying cock..." I meant to say, very sincerely, that I was moved by your offer of help and it very much made me reconsider my opinion, as that gesture of kindness is really at odds with that impression of you. So - sorry for calling you a cock. I thought what you did here was very noble and I admire it. I just felt there was no other way of expressing what I felt without being cowardly and weasel-worded about it.

manmal 13y ago
If there is no way to express something without hurting either yourself or the other one, express yourself on a different topic. I would hate this comment too if it were directed at me.
- Tarks 13y ago
  Terrible, terrible advice. Every interaction with someone carries the chance of impact, the closer you get to talking about things related to or stemming from their core values the higher the chance you'll provoke a strong reaction (positive or negative). If you're not willing to potentially (perhaps not intentionally) express a viewpoint that could hurt the other person, then you'll be forever only talking about unimportant gumf or giving half-stated opinions that might not get the gravitas of a situation across. Looking someone dead in the eye and without ego telling them "You're fucking up right now. Here's why" is a loving thing to do, and I'm thankful that someone cared enough to "hurt me"
  - manmal 13y ago
    Well it's a different kind of thing to say "I think you're a cock" vs "Hey I think you're doing this wrong - I'd do this and that to improve". While the latter can have the impact you describe, the former will just create alienation and destroys any basis of sensible communication. As demonstrated above. Hurting is optional for learning. And personally I think it's entirely disposable.
    - Tarks 13y ago
      First paragraph : Note that he didn't say that. Revealing a previous passive observation versus giving advice is different. He was basically just trying to say "I think I've had the wrong impression of you", but perhaps wanted to let him know just how strong of a negative impression he had. To me it read more like a sort-of public apology for holding a mistaken belief about Zed's character and possibly nudging others to reconsider any similar viewpoints. Second point: Yup, optional just like most tools, and just like most tools there's always a set specific challenges where it can work wonders compared to the rest of the shed. Your mileage may vary but I'd be very surprised if you can't think of a single lesson you've remembered better because there was some pain involved, we're supposedly hardwired to better remember those lessons, for obvious life-prolonging reasons.
      - dhimes 13y ago
scrrr 13y ago
What a world, what a world. If a man helps another man, which I consider normal and I thought everyone would, you are "moved" when someone is nice. On the other hand it's a scandal if someone seems unfriendly, even though their actions are kind. Stop please. And as parent wrote, nobody really cares that you changed your opinion. Opinions are nothing, you know. Actions on the other hand really count.
j1o1h1n 13y ago
I hate to be go all happy family on you, but please avoid swear words in a public forum like hacker news. There are enough forums where that sort of behaviour is a part of the culture and it degrades everyone.
- michaelgrafl 13y ago
  I would assume that discouraging people from speaking their minds the way they feel like to is more harmful to a community than having to tolerate the occasional cuss word. I know this is just a plea of yours, not an order, but it still comes across as patronizing to me. If you hate going all happy family on someone, don't do it. It will achieve nothing but aggravate them.
- nollidge 13y ago
  What you're actually asking is for people to repress their emotions, and that's way more degrading.
  - overgryphon 13y ago
    There are many ways to express emotions.
    - pvirgiliu 13y ago
      Ah... and you know the right way.
      - qstyk 13y ago
        In a civil, intellectual manner that shows deliberate thought, as opposed to letting garbage tumble from the mouth, perhaps?
- walesmd 13y ago
  I don't see a single fucking swear word in his reply...
Sicp 13y ago
is this guy you're referring to something of a celebrity?

wellboy 13y ago

Why not try turning the attack into a compliment and make the attacker love, that's what alpha males do. :) If you need to say fuckk, your original point wasn't strong enough and you needed to reinforce it. Saying fuck normally should be used to create rapport with someone and allowing him to use the word too. Welp, quite some deep psycho analysis shit here.^^

happywolf 13y ago

Am I the only one laughing after reading Zed's comment? Haha, nice reply :P

JanezStupar 13y ago

I love you Zed. I would bear manbabies for you. I can remember the old days when there wouldn't be a week without Zedshaw this and Zedshaw that on HN. And the very fact I love you is your pure, raw, passionate ethics. I like you because you do not just ignore dumbasses. You give them a chance to see gravity of their delusion and to repent. If that means taking a dude and rubbing his nose into the poo, then be it. Zedshaw is like an amplifying mirror. Be nice to him and he will reflect and amplify the niceness. Take him for a fool... Brace down for some Righteous Fury (tm).

Angostura 13y ago

I think you greatly misunderstood the intent of that message. Still, I doubt you give a fuck what I think either, so as you were.

gress 13y ago
I don't think Zed misunderstood anything. That poster is standing in judgement of Zed, and has Zed expressed his reaction.

tifareth 13y ago

People like you - the genuinely transparent and fearless - are the only ones capable of sincere gestures. The scoundrels and cowards hate you because your honesty makes them self-conscious, so they'll fight you on grounds of "politeness". Thank you for your honesty. Whether you care or not, know that the people that value it -truly- do (unlike the cooze that reacted on you). Also, thank you for your amazing coding lessons. Your CLI book/guide is largely responsible for helping me land my current job. I have ADHD:PI and find your "cut through the bullshit" method of teaching INCREDIBLE. I've purchased your Python book and look forward to the experience.

no-brainer 13y ago
I'll upvote any use of the word "cooze" especially one so apt.
- tifareth 13y ago
  ;D
JackFr 13y ago
> People like you - the genuinely transparent and fearless - are the only ones capable of sincere gestures. Bullshit. I assure you that I am very little like Zed -- apart from my fear and opaqueness, I also appreciate the mean as an excellent first-order summary statistic -- and yet I am very sincere in my belief that your response is pure vacuity.
- tifareth 13y ago
  How can someone opaque and fearful make sincere gestures? Sincerity is only possible through honesty and integrity. Honesty and integrity require courage. As for the mean as a first-order statistic, we clearly have different values... I like mine better. Cheers!

digitalzombie 13y ago

I actually like your personality. You're one of the few people that don't take shit and actually stand by your actions/words. Even with all the people shitting on your online persona, you continue to work, you've produce some stuff that people enjoy (learn the hard way), it's really admirable.

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throwawaykf 13y ago

Hmm, I didn't read his reply that way. Maybe you're just going off... half-cocked?

codex 13y ago

This entire post should be about the OP, and now it is about ZS. Can we just delete this entire subtree, please?

smoofles 13y ago

> Wait, actually I don't give a fuck what you think. I'm busy helping people while you're busy calling me a cock. Fuck you. You so don’t give a fuck that you replied straight away. But at least you didn’t have to repeat how busy you are helping people, since the poster you so-don’t-care-about-that you-had-to-reply-to specifically called it out as noble, amirite? Whether the post was ment ironic or not: golfclap