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My wife cried reading all of your comments. I guess we were looking for some sign that someone somewhere is pulling for us. During the first hour this post was

My wife cried reading all of your comments. I guess we were looking for some sign that someone somewhere is pulling for us. During the first hour this post was up I hovered over the delete more than once. It doesn't seem right to bring an entire ecosystem of ambitious and wonderful people a story of failure. I guess I learned that hitting delete would be worse. Thank you from the 5.3 of us.

AndrewKemendo 13y ago
These stories should be required reading. To that end the community would benefit massively from you documenting it. Just as there are Journals of Negative results [1][2] so too should there be a journal of failed startups. Your detailing of what caused the failures could save thousands of man hours and potentially someone falling into the same traps. Goal #1 for you right now is to get your family in order and steel the troops for tough times ahead as you get back on your feet. In short order though you should start simply documenting the process that led to your company failing. Not only will you learn from it but it will help others. If you are in the DC area don't hesitate to reach out to myself and my family. We have kiddos the same ages as yours so they would have a ball. [1] http://www.jnrbm.com/ http://www.jnrbm.com/ [2] http://www.jnr-eeb.org/index.php/jnr http://www.jnr-eeb.org/index.php/jnr
- Killah911 13y ago
  I'm sure that would be nice to have. I'm can relate to OP, I'm out of pretty my all of my savings and trying to think of ways to shutter my co. I already have four kids. When a friend of mine said to me, "perhaps we should disect this failure", the zing from that made it all that much worse. I'm sure there's plenty of lessons to be learned from failed startups, but even 5 years after my first failed startup, I still don't like thinking about it, least of all documenting what went wrong. Now, fortunately I do have a venture that's been somewhat of a runaway success, in spite of me. The only truth I can relate do what you must and then get lucky. There isn't some secret method to success(despite what your methodical brain tells you). It may be survivor bias or whatever, but I still don't like harping on my failures. I know the severe guilty feeling that I get knowing that I not only risked my own but my family's well being possibly, but then again, at least I tried. Life's tough, live to fight another day & survive long enough till you get lucky. I for one am not looking to revisit my failure any more than I already do, it's too traumatic to relive.
  - AndrewKemendo 13y ago
    I can't speak for your situation so don't take this as a goad, only my thoughts on the idea of doing a triage/after action/autopsy. I know that feeling. I have failed before and hard. I did however resolve to ensure that it wasn't for nothing by, as your co-founder suggested, dissecting it. What I found was that instead of it just being a downer, I realized how many good things were done and how many exciting developments, both personally and professionally came out of what was at the end of the day a failure. In the end the margin of failure can be tiny - but I would guarantee that you will also be able to find some massive successes in there as well. Adding to that the benefit that others would take away and I think it would be of great benefit.
- kellyphong76 13y ago
  Completely agreed with your tactic of teaching how to fish instead of feeding him. But beaware internet is full with dumbasses, dont let anyone emotionally blackmail you. Best of luck to you! I think he must have to write in order get clean with dirty minds like myself (not trusting him now, his account is just new and he got 500+ karma).
- __alexs 13y ago
  > Just as there are Journals of Negative results [1][2] so too should there be a journal of failed startups. We used to have something like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company
redschell 13y ago
You're always welcome. You've got a long road ahead of you, but that's not a bad thing. That means plenty of opportunities. Work hard, take advantage of the awesome opportunities in this thread, and push for others. If you don't ask, you don't get, so don't be shy. I'd wish you good luck, but you don't need it. It sounds like you've already got a wonderful family. That makes you a pretty lucky guy when you think about it. Just keep your head up, and know that you've got a lot of people rooting for you.
yogo 13y ago
Don't feel bad about bringing a story of failure. You're keeping it real and there's nothing more valuable than a dose of reality sometimes.
peterarmstrong 13y ago
I got laid off when my son was 2 months old and my wife was on maternity leave. That was about 9 years ago. You can pull through this. (My solution was to relocate countries, from Victoria, Canada to Silicon Valley. We did this in 2 weeks. Now, ironically, I'm doing a startup, but living back in Victoria.) If you're a programmer and a US citizen, you have won the talent + nationality lottery. (I'm the former, but not the latter.) If you're both, realize how fortunate you truly are. One course of action is to... 1. Move to Silicon Valley if you're not there right now. It's a boom, and it sounds like you don't have much to lose at the moment. 2. Go be an early employee at some startup that is funded. Maybe you'll get lucky and it's the next Dropbox or Snapchat. Or maybe you'll just earn good money in a great climate. 3. Consider doing another startup once you have savings or can bootstrap doing consulting. However, bootstrapping takes a LONG time and requires serious commitment. Good luck! Peter
jf 13y ago
Please do reach out to Zed Shaw. His offer is genuine and I can't think of a better person to offer you some help.
movebits 13y ago
reach out, this thread has support
davedx 13y ago
Hey man, just had a baby daughter myself and I know what the feeling of responsibility is like for the parents in the family. Hang in there. The job market for IT people is huge right now. You can turn this around.
easytiger 13y ago
Why don't you describe what you were trying to monetise? Possibly someone here can see an opportunity in it?
NicoJuicy 13y ago
Failures are the things you learn from the most. What have you been trying to do the last months with your company? Perhaps some of us might help :)
jroseattle 13y ago
Seriously....reach out to everyone, including me. Not sure in which part of the US you're located, but I seem to know people in lots of places. Let us help, you may end up helping us right back one day.
jroseattle 13y ago
To the O.P. - please post a follow-up to let us know if things improve. Happy holidays.

AndrewKemendo 13y ago

These stories should be required reading. To that end the community would benefit massively from you documenting it. Just as there are Journals of Negative results [1][2] so too should there be a journal of failed startups. Your detailing of what caused the failures could save thousands of man hours and potentially someone falling into the same traps. Goal #1 for you right now is to get your family in order and steel the troops for tough times ahead as you get back on your feet. In short order though you should start simply documenting the process that led to your company failing. Not only will you learn from it but it will help others. If you are in the DC area don't hesitate to reach out to myself and my family. We have kiddos the same ages as yours so they would have a ball. [1] http://www.jnrbm.com/ http://www.jnrbm.com/ [2] http://www.jnr-eeb.org/index.php/jnr http://www.jnr-eeb.org/index.php/jnr

Killah911 13y ago
I'm sure that would be nice to have. I'm can relate to OP, I'm out of pretty my all of my savings and trying to think of ways to shutter my co. I already have four kids. When a friend of mine said to me, "perhaps we should disect this failure", the zing from that made it all that much worse. I'm sure there's plenty of lessons to be learned from failed startups, but even 5 years after my first failed startup, I still don't like thinking about it, least of all documenting what went wrong. Now, fortunately I do have a venture that's been somewhat of a runaway success, in spite of me. The only truth I can relate do what you must and then get lucky. There isn't some secret method to success(despite what your methodical brain tells you). It may be survivor bias or whatever, but I still don't like harping on my failures. I know the severe guilty feeling that I get knowing that I not only risked my own but my family's well being possibly, but then again, at least I tried. Life's tough, live to fight another day & survive long enough till you get lucky. I for one am not looking to revisit my failure any more than I already do, it's too traumatic to relive.
- AndrewKemendo 13y ago
  I can't speak for your situation so don't take this as a goad, only my thoughts on the idea of doing a triage/after action/autopsy. I know that feeling. I have failed before and hard. I did however resolve to ensure that it wasn't for nothing by, as your co-founder suggested, dissecting it. What I found was that instead of it just being a downer, I realized how many good things were done and how many exciting developments, both personally and professionally came out of what was at the end of the day a failure. In the end the margin of failure can be tiny - but I would guarantee that you will also be able to find some massive successes in there as well. Adding to that the benefit that others would take away and I think it would be of great benefit.
kellyphong76 13y ago
Completely agreed with your tactic of teaching how to fish instead of feeding him. But beaware internet is full with dumbasses, dont let anyone emotionally blackmail you. Best of luck to you! I think he must have to write in order get clean with dirty minds like myself (not trusting him now, his account is just new and he got 500+ karma).
__alexs 13y ago
> Just as there are Journals of Negative results [1][2] so too should there be a journal of failed startups. We used to have something like that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucked_Company

redschell 13y ago

You're always welcome. You've got a long road ahead of you, but that's not a bad thing. That means plenty of opportunities. Work hard, take advantage of the awesome opportunities in this thread, and push for others. If you don't ask, you don't get, so don't be shy. I'd wish you good luck, but you don't need it. It sounds like you've already got a wonderful family. That makes you a pretty lucky guy when you think about it. Just keep your head up, and know that you've got a lot of people rooting for you.

yogo 13y ago

Don't feel bad about bringing a story of failure. You're keeping it real and there's nothing more valuable than a dose of reality sometimes.

peterarmstrong 13y ago

I got laid off when my son was 2 months old and my wife was on maternity leave. That was about 9 years ago. You can pull through this. (My solution was to relocate countries, from Victoria, Canada to Silicon Valley. We did this in 2 weeks. Now, ironically, I'm doing a startup, but living back in Victoria.) If you're a programmer and a US citizen, you have won the talent + nationality lottery. (I'm the former, but not the latter.) If you're both, realize how fortunate you truly are. One course of action is to... 1. Move to Silicon Valley if you're not there right now. It's a boom, and it sounds like you don't have much to lose at the moment. 2. Go be an early employee at some startup that is funded. Maybe you'll get lucky and it's the next Dropbox or Snapchat. Or maybe you'll just earn good money in a great climate. 3. Consider doing another startup once you have savings or can bootstrap doing consulting. However, bootstrapping takes a LONG time and requires serious commitment. Good luck! Peter

jf 13y ago

Please do reach out to Zed Shaw. His offer is genuine and I can't think of a better person to offer you some help.

movebits 13y ago

reach out, this thread has support

davedx 13y ago

Hey man, just had a baby daughter myself and I know what the feeling of responsibility is like for the parents in the family. Hang in there. The job market for IT people is huge right now. You can turn this around.

easytiger 13y ago

Why don't you describe what you were trying to monetise? Possibly someone here can see an opportunity in it?

NicoJuicy 13y ago

Failures are the things you learn from the most. What have you been trying to do the last months with your company? Perhaps some of us might help :)

jroseattle 13y ago

Seriously....reach out to everyone, including me. Not sure in which part of the US you're located, but I seem to know people in lots of places. Let us help, you may end up helping us right back one day.

jroseattle 13y ago

To the O.P. - please post a follow-up to let us know if things improve. Happy holidays.