6 ms·
I think someone who so blatantly values his developers so little deserves to be insulted.
by na85 13y ago
I think someone who so blatantly values his developers so little deserves to be insulted.
- pyrocat 13y agoWell at least do some research before you insult him then? Here are some options: enabler, workaholic, calculating
- eridius 13y agoWhat about someone who values honesty enough to actually list the accurate job posting, which honestly doesn't sound that different than a lot of jobs in this industry. The biggest difference is those jobs didn't actually list the bad conditions in the job posting.
- singular 13y agoSo it's ok to be an abusive arsehole as long as you're honest about it? The only crime is to be a dishonest arsehole? How about being a decent reasonable human being/employer? Or is that just off the table altogether in this discussion? With limbo-like justifications like this I'm not surprised these kind of diseased company cultures exist.
- nightski 13y agoYes. You are acting like this job is not voluntary.
- wpietri 13y agoThat some naive person "volunteers" to be exploited and abused doesn't make it any less exploitative or abusive.
- tesseractive 13y agoJust because accepting a job is voluntary doors not give license to employers to exploit their employees. 100 years ago, that same argument was advanced by people opposed to worker safety laws and child labor laws. People use that argument to justify jobs where you have to sleep with the boss to get the job. The fact that some people are desperate doesn't give an employer endless license.
- na85 13y agoUnemployment is really high right now. A lot of folks might feel compelled to take any job.
- VexXtreme 13y agoSo a job that advertises terrible working conditions is suddenly morally upstanding and ethical just because you know what you're in for? What if you need money to feed your family and the job ad says that as a precondition to getting hired you need to give them one of your kidneys? This is exactly why labor law exists and why libertarian/extreme capitalist societies could never function. The argument "it's a free market" doesn't hold water. Without a system of checks and balances exploitation will always take place because there are always people desperate enough to do anything to make a living. No matter what you say about "free markets" and "voluntary agreements", you can't convince me that it's right and ethical and a good idea in any capacity.
- eridius 13y agoLabor laws? Holy crap, you are deluded. We're talking about a cushy white-collar job here. Yes, the expectations sound pretty bad, relatively speaking. But it's a far cry from exploitative labor.
- VexXtreme 13y agoCalm down, go back and re-read the sub-thread. We are talking about general principles behind the practice, not necessarily about this concrete example.
- eridius 13y agoHow very patronizing of you. In the entire category of white-collar jobs the idea of requiring labor laws is ludicrous.
- ryguytilidie 13y agoSo the dude who writes the exploitative job description is fine, while the average business owner is an asshole because you assume their job sucks and they're lying. Totally reasonable logic.
- vdaniuk 13y agoI am sure some people would find many things about you that make you deserve to be insulted, too. Empathy is not optional even for people you disagree with.