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thanks for introducing me to this term - and also the original blog post. :) (no, not everybody had heard of it already) there are a lot of these guys out the

by jheriko 13y ago

thanks for introducing me to this term - and also the original blog post. :) (no, not everybody had heard of it already) there are a lot of these guys out there - i've worked with some, and whilst the generalisation is poorly motivated it is generally accurate. a good proportion of these kinds are in the job for money, stability, parental pressure etc. and care little to improve themselves or their work. they do a 9 to 5, just like you would if you were stacking shelves in a supermarket. its a rare person who tries to excel at shelf stacking.

untog 13y ago
I'm wary of equating "care little to improve themselves" with "do a 9 to 5". The two are not related.
- jheriko 13y ago
  really? maybe there is an over generalisation there, but i think that people who do their jobs for money often have little motivation, or even reason, to try to improve their skill at work. what they will generally improve at is finding psychological tricks to ease the passage of time, ways to hide a lack of productivity or monopolise the work that they find the most comfortable... practically speaking they get more mileage from finding a different job entirely... 'working your way up' as a path to success is not what it used to be, their are too many layers and too many automatic promotions for time served. edit: maybe my meaning of 9 to 5 is not clear, but for me its a term that comes from the fixation on time which comes with having a 'job' vs a 'career'
  - untog 13y ago
    maybe my meaning of 9 to 5 is not clear, but for me its a term that comes from the fixation on time which comes with having a 'job' vs a 'career' Then that is what I object to. Plenty of people have a 'career' instead of a 'job' and work 9-5. Hours worked is not a great indicator of anything - the guy working until 8pm might have spent three hours of his day messing around doing very little.
  - mildtrepidation 13y ago
    "9 to 5" refers to a salaried position, i.e. regular W-2 work. I'm not totally clear on your connotation, but I don't think it's common. This seems really presumptuous to me, though. Many people just don't consider anything but regular work like this as an option, as they just haven't been exposed to other things; this doesn't say anything about how much or little they love their work or wish to excel at it. Some people are just lazy do-as-little-as-possible drones, sure. But assuming everyone who isn't an entrepreneur is like that is more than a little bit nasty and quite baseless.
    - jheriko 13y ago
      /assuming everyone who isn't an entrepreneur/ i've used the term poorly if you think this - that is clear. i'm not even thinking of entrepeneurs. i don't consider myself working '9 to 5' even if those are coincidentally my hours... the amount of time i work is much more to do with my desire to fulfil my tasks and deliver. i've used the term wrongly, but i think of the '9 to 5' mentality as the eagerness to pack up and go home at 5, but yet not wanting to leave early so that you don't get docked minutes in your pay packet. my point was more to differentiate between those there for survival or routine, compared to those there from desire. i've met plenty of entrepreneurs who have no passion for what they do and are either terrible or lucky at it... some doing it out of misguided expectation from family or peers. its got nothing to do with that.

by jheriko 13y ago

untog 13y ago

I'm wary of equating "care little to improve themselves" with "do a 9 to 5". The two are not related.

jheriko 13y ago
really? maybe there is an over generalisation there, but i think that people who do their jobs for money often have little motivation, or even reason, to try to improve their skill at work. what they will generally improve at is finding psychological tricks to ease the passage of time, ways to hide a lack of productivity or monopolise the work that they find the most comfortable... practically speaking they get more mileage from finding a different job entirely... 'working your way up' as a path to success is not what it used to be, their are too many layers and too many automatic promotions for time served. edit: maybe my meaning of 9 to 5 is not clear, but for me its a term that comes from the fixation on time which comes with having a 'job' vs a 'career'
- untog 13y ago
  maybe my meaning of 9 to 5 is not clear, but for me its a term that comes from the fixation on time which comes with having a 'job' vs a 'career' Then that is what I object to. Plenty of people have a 'career' instead of a 'job' and work 9-5. Hours worked is not a great indicator of anything - the guy working until 8pm might have spent three hours of his day messing around doing very little.
- mildtrepidation 13y ago
  "9 to 5" refers to a salaried position, i.e. regular W-2 work. I'm not totally clear on your connotation, but I don't think it's common. This seems really presumptuous to me, though. Many people just don't consider anything but regular work like this as an option, as they just haven't been exposed to other things; this doesn't say anything about how much or little they love their work or wish to excel at it. Some people are just lazy do-as-little-as-possible drones, sure. But assuming everyone who isn't an entrepreneur is like that is more than a little bit nasty and quite baseless.
  - jheriko 13y ago
    /assuming everyone who isn't an entrepreneur/ i've used the term poorly if you think this - that is clear. i'm not even thinking of entrepeneurs. i don't consider myself working '9 to 5' even if those are coincidentally my hours... the amount of time i work is much more to do with my desire to fulfil my tasks and deliver. i've used the term wrongly, but i think of the '9 to 5' mentality as the eagerness to pack up and go home at 5, but yet not wanting to leave early so that you don't get docked minutes in your pay packet. my point was more to differentiate between those there for survival or routine, compared to those there from desire. i've met plenty of entrepreneurs who have no passion for what they do and are either terrible or lucky at it... some doing it out of misguided expectation from family or peers. its got nothing to do with that.