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An understated job advertisement
- EGreg 13y agoTranslation: not enough money to hire four peopls.
- coldcode 13y agoRule #1, never work for a company with Penny in the name.
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- asgard1024 13y agoThis reminds me of: Wanted--Acrobat capable of crossing a slack wire 200 feet above raging furnace. Twice nightly, three times on Saturday. 53 Salary offered &sterling;25 (or $70 U.S.) per week. No pension and no compensation in the event of injury. Apply in person at Wildcat Circus between the hours of 9 A.M. and 10 A.M. See http://diki.heliohost.org/parkinsonselection.htm http://diki.heliohost.org/parkinsonselection.htm
- scrumper 13y agoThanks for sharing that, a fun read.
- codeonfire 13y agoIs this a joke? Serious question. I was looking for the part where they go a little too far and spoil the joke, but it never happened.
- happywolf 13y agoThat is a lot to ask for, and my first thought is: what happens to the company if the person holding this position leaves? Dividing this job into two positions will sound more reasonable.
- wil421 13y agoOr what happens when the person holding that position quits due to stress.
- patmcguire 13y agoIt might be the case that that's what happened, and the job description is basically "New Karen."
- philbarr 13y agoThey're certainly setting themselves up for letting someone get their feet under the table, have everything set up so that they're indispensable, and then turning round and saying, "So, NOW let's talk about that salary." Which is probably exactly what anyone with the kind of brains and experience they're asking for is going to do.
- stygiansonic 13y agoThey may not get a lot of applicants, but at least they are being honest with the job description.
- dccoolgai 13y agoIt's Penny Arcade. Even with the stern warnings laced into the advert, they'll get too many applications to sort through. They are the literal purveyors of geek cred....this is the geek version of "Devil Wears Prada". If I lived in Seattle, I might even think about applying.
- stygiansonic 13y agoCan't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I think the "geek cred" thing would wear thin pretty fast after having no work-life balance and being paid below-market for what your abilities are.
- ath0 13y agoPeople are motivated by different things. "Below market" only matters if you judge yourself by how much you're paid compared to your peers. "Having no work-life balance" assumes that your "life" doesn't benefit from "work" in ways other than the size of your paycheck. If you already have a house/apartment you like and will still be able to afford with this job, find the work you're doing interesting, have the appreciation of your co-workers and the freedom to do your work the way you want (because no one else who works there is an IT person); if you find playing video games with colleagues a reasonable facsimile of "life"; if being a visible member of a team that has a youtube channel with 10s of thousands of subscribers who look up to them is more important than owning a bigger TV; then this job may be worthwhile for you. And why is it a problem that someone would rather have those things than a salary at market rates, or an ability to go home at 5pm and spend time with their family not thinking about work?
- timje1 13y agoYou're correct, but that doesn't stop hordes of qualified nerds from charging into the meatgrinder that is the games development industry. You mean I get to make games for a living, as long as I'm happy to be paid in popcorn and work 18 hour days? Where do I sign?
- pallandt 13y agoSoo...lots of responsibilities and a warning to probably not expect an adjusted salary to match them ('Annual Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group'), with these 2 as a minimum: - A BA/BS or greater degree in Computer Science or a related field - A minimum of 3 years in development and project management, preferably in a professional workplace In Seattle no less, with the expectation that you'll be on call 24/7 should they need you to fix something. I don't live in the U.S, but I have a hard time seeing how a truly qualified professional with a minimum of 3 years of experience in all the domains they mentioned would sign up for such a job if they really cared about their career progression, even if it is for Penny Arcade. This type of position sounds like it was almost intentionally designed for a high turnover of employees.
- Guvante 13y agoLooks like they were trying to leverage their name to find someone who wanted to work at Penny Arcade, versus someone who wanted to fill the position. Can't blame them for trying :).
- mcguire 13y ago"preferably in a professional workplace" But see... "- You should have no problems working in a creative and potentially offensive environment.
- highbees 13y agoAnd you're on call to perform low skill IT support on top of it all.
- russfrank 13y agoThis sounds awful.
- Xdes 13y agoAfter I finished reading that the only thing I could think is the next guy is gonna burn out fast.
- artumi-richard 13y agoIt looks like they want someone clever, but they won't be getting clever people with expectations like that. Unless desperate.
- polymatter 13y agoor a liar
- gesman 13y ago>> Annual Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group. We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better. So I go to the local food store and tell cashier and store manager that instead of paying for their products with money, instead, "I could make their life better!" Will it work? If yes, then I'll apply.
- Guvante 13y agoSalaries are always a range. If you are in the range and they provide good benefits it can work out.
- leke 13y agoYou could be a great customer in return for their services :)
- notahacker 13y agoIf you weren't money motivated, surely you'd be happy to consider something unpaid instead? I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry at the long and diverse list of qualities you need to get a chance to spend three unpaid months growing the revenues of this "well funded" startup. "MBA a plus" They won't spend the money you earn them on you, but they do "know how to have a laugh": http://workinstartups.com/job-board/job/4640/business-development-and-marketing-internship-at-top-london-startup-at-adzuna/ http://workinstartups.com/job-board/job/4640/business-develo...
- 7Figures2Commas 13y ago> PLEASE FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER AT @RKHOO FOR UPDATES IN CASE EMAIL GETS SENT TO SPAM FOLDERS, ETC. If you do not have a Twitter, please note that you can tune in to KCTS 9 public television at 11:35 pm every evening through December 20 for broadcast updates about the position.
- sethish 13y agoI came to make a snarky comment about the job requiring you to be ok with working with Mike Krahulik, who I consider despicable. But their job posting does the job for me: > We’re terrible at work-life balance. Although work is pretty much your life, we do our absolute best to make sure that work is as awesome as possible so you at least enjoy each and every day here. *Edit: Originally reversed the author's pen names. Now using real name.
- pgl 13y agoWhy do you consider "Tycho" despicable?
- sethish 13y agoAre you actually asking me why I consider Mike Krahulik despicable? If you are not aware of the issues surrounding him, I am happy to link you to some of the better articles. If you are aware of the controversy and are baiting me, I am not interested.
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- emillon 13y agoThis was covered on PBD: http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/68153753288/penny-arcade-yep-theyre-still-terrible http://programmersbeingdicks.tumblr.com/post/68153753288/pen...
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- deleted_account 13y agoThis thread is full of 9-5 crybabies. I've interviewed at so many places where all these requirements are implied, but never spelled out. At least PA isn't coy about who they want to hire.
- tptacek 13y agoI think I'm going to stick "9-5 Crybabies" in the "who we're looking for" section of my next job ad. Thanks!
- deleted_account 13y agoBe sure to add in "Bed-wetters need not apply" or else you'll be sifting through a mountain of resumes.
- deleted_account 13y agoHN has no sense of humor.
- CodeMage 13y agoOh, okay. I guess that makes it all right, then. I would like to suggest watching the following talk by Mike Monteiro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3RJhoqgK8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3RJhoqgK8
- deleted_account 13y agoI somehow manage to watch that video once a year or so, but I am missing something. How does a presentation on how to collect payments as a freelancer apply to this? Listen, I get the "charge more than you think you're worth," but I suspect there is a huge contingent of developers who would attach a significant dollar value to many of the intangible perks that PennyArcade has to offer.
- CodeMage 13y ago
- leke 13y agoI would love have an example of how they use a chunk of your salary on making your day-to-day life at work better... > We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better.