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> I'd be willing to believe that one woman lied to discredit him...I'm less willing to believe that two women did so. One needs to consider the circumstances.

> I'd be willing to believe that one woman lied to discredit him...I'm less willing to believe that two women did so. One needs to consider the circumstances. Would you believe a woman wearing dildo shoes who's accusing a world famous journalist for rape? Yes, dildo shoes. I'd say it affects my view on what has been said. http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg Assange should take note of this advice and protect the truth. http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/julian-assange-protect-the-truth.jpg?w=558 http://raincoaster.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/julian-assang... Whatever transpired, calling it rape is offensive to all the women out there who was violently forced to submission. The most disturbing thing about this "case" is that the Swedish police published Assanges name in the world press on suspicion of rape, even before a court had seen any evidence. What about the right to a fair trial? Assange certainly was judged without one. The Swedish police stubborn refusal to interview Assange in the UK is also suspicious. Authorities have no such inhibitions in other less high-profile cases. My advice to all of you is to keep your d*ck in your pants when visiting Sweden and meeting a girl wearing dildo shoes.

alanctgardner2 13y ago
This is similar to slut shaming. How someone acts before, after, or any other time doesn't affects whether they wanted to have sex in that instance. You could walk around in bondage gear all day, it doesn't mean you're asking to be raped, or change the legitimacy of accusations of rape. If someone has sex with you against your will (or in this case, they don't use protection and claim they did), it is a crime. Full stop.
- draugadrotten 13y ago
  > How someone acts before, after, or any other time doesn't affects whether they wanted to have sex in that instance It's sad to see that the presumption now is that a man is guilty. Once upon a time, the burden of proof was on the accuser. When Mr Assange is accused of rape, with no proof except the accusation, Mr Assanged is asked to prove his innocence. I dare say that how someone acts before sex is the most significant indicator on if sex was consensual that we can find. > (or in this case, they don't use protection and claim they did), it is a crime. Mind you, would you consider it rape and a crime if a woman said she was on the pill, and slept with you, and it turns out she was lying about it? Let's not keep double standards for the lying men and lying women. Well, you might, but I can not label this as "rape". If someone lies about using protection, it makes them liars but not rapists.
  - alanctgardner2 13y ago
    OK, to get this out of the way: the law in the jurisdiction he's being charged in explicitly considers this to be rape. It's not trumped up by the media, it's how the law is written. > It's sad to see that the presumption now is that a man is guilty The presumption is that he is accused, and he ran away and never had a trial. You can't really run away from the trial forever, hide behind the "presumed innocent" doctrine, and say it makes you a saint. It just means you haven't been convicted, because it was mechanically hard to get you to the right place to convict you. > would you consider it rape and a crime if a woman said she was on the pill, and slept with you, and it turns out she was lying about it? Condoms offer protection from STIs, as well as pregnancy. Lying about using a condom potentially exposes your partner to myriad health problems, in addition to unwanted pregnancy. So no, it isn't equivalent to lying about using the pill - lying about the pill doesn't change your risk of contracting HPV, HIV, etc. If a woman lies about using birth control, and she does conceive, she's either going to have an abortion (which is physically and psychologically traumatic), or go through pregnancy and birth. The father has some obligation (which he could probably be free from if he can prove she lied), but there's not really any physical risk there. He's not going to catch a life-threatening disease from someone lying about the pill.
    - SwellJoe 13y ago
      "which he could probably be free from if he can prove she lied" While I agree with you on everything else you've said, this one is untrue in the US. Even if a woman lies about being on the pill or infertile or whatever, if she has a child and you are the father, you are on the hook for child support. Doesn't matter if she lied. The law looks out for the child, first and foremost, and the child did not lie to you. So, if you're really not wanting to have a child with someone and not wanting the responsibility of paying child support, use protection or don't have sex with her.
venomsnake 13y ago
Can you enlighten me what shoes are appropriate for a girl to wear to have her rape story taken seriously? Rape is treated pretty fucked up by the society - it is generally blame and ignore the victim. But if she somehow gets authorities cooperation and get the story to the media - than the guy's life is destroyed no matter the outcome of the trial. So the justice is rarely served.
- draugadrotten 13y ago
  > But if she somehow gets authorities cooperation and get the story to the media - than the guy's life is destroyed no matter the outcome of the trial. So the justice is rarely served. This is a wrong we know have happened. The alleged rape (by not wearing a condom, which is what is called rape in this case) may or may not have happened, and should have been let to the court to decide. Leaking the - presumably innocent - Mr Assanges name to the press and calling a global man hunt for him as a rapist, before even the first interview, is a wrong that certainly will have an impact on his entire life and career. Whatever it is, it's not justice done right.
a3n 13y ago
> Would you believe a woman wearing dildo shoes who's accusing a world famous journalist for rape? Yes, dildo shoes. I'd say it affects my view on what has been said. http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg Those are going to make for an interesting anthropology thesis a couple thousand years from now.

alanctgardner2 13y ago

This is similar to slut shaming. How someone acts before, after, or any other time doesn't affects whether they wanted to have sex in that instance. You could walk around in bondage gear all day, it doesn't mean you're asking to be raped, or change the legitimacy of accusations of rape. If someone has sex with you against your will (or in this case, they don't use protection and claim they did), it is a crime. Full stop.

draugadrotten 13y ago
> How someone acts before, after, or any other time doesn't affects whether they wanted to have sex in that instance It's sad to see that the presumption now is that a man is guilty. Once upon a time, the burden of proof was on the accuser. When Mr Assange is accused of rape, with no proof except the accusation, Mr Assanged is asked to prove his innocence. I dare say that how someone acts before sex is the most significant indicator on if sex was consensual that we can find. > (or in this case, they don't use protection and claim they did), it is a crime. Mind you, would you consider it rape and a crime if a woman said she was on the pill, and slept with you, and it turns out she was lying about it? Let's not keep double standards for the lying men and lying women. Well, you might, but I can not label this as "rape". If someone lies about using protection, it makes them liars but not rapists.
- alanctgardner2 13y ago
  OK, to get this out of the way: the law in the jurisdiction he's being charged in explicitly considers this to be rape. It's not trumped up by the media, it's how the law is written. > It's sad to see that the presumption now is that a man is guilty The presumption is that he is accused, and he ran away and never had a trial. You can't really run away from the trial forever, hide behind the "presumed innocent" doctrine, and say it makes you a saint. It just means you haven't been convicted, because it was mechanically hard to get you to the right place to convict you. > would you consider it rape and a crime if a woman said she was on the pill, and slept with you, and it turns out she was lying about it? Condoms offer protection from STIs, as well as pregnancy. Lying about using a condom potentially exposes your partner to myriad health problems, in addition to unwanted pregnancy. So no, it isn't equivalent to lying about using the pill - lying about the pill doesn't change your risk of contracting HPV, HIV, etc. If a woman lies about using birth control, and she does conceive, she's either going to have an abortion (which is physically and psychologically traumatic), or go through pregnancy and birth. The father has some obligation (which he could probably be free from if he can prove she lied), but there's not really any physical risk there. He's not going to catch a life-threatening disease from someone lying about the pill.
  - SwellJoe 13y ago
    "which he could probably be free from if he can prove she lied" While I agree with you on everything else you've said, this one is untrue in the US. Even if a woman lies about being on the pill or infertile or whatever, if she has a child and you are the father, you are on the hook for child support. Doesn't matter if she lied. The law looks out for the child, first and foremost, and the child did not lie to you. So, if you're really not wanting to have a child with someone and not wanting the responsibility of paying child support, use protection or don't have sex with her.

venomsnake 13y ago

Can you enlighten me what shoes are appropriate for a girl to wear to have her rape story taken seriously? Rape is treated pretty fucked up by the society - it is generally blame and ignore the victim. But if she somehow gets authorities cooperation and get the story to the media - than the guy's life is destroyed no matter the outcome of the trial. So the justice is rarely served.

draugadrotten 13y ago
> But if she somehow gets authorities cooperation and get the story to the media - than the guy's life is destroyed no matter the outcome of the trial. So the justice is rarely served. This is a wrong we know have happened. The alleged rape (by not wearing a condom, which is what is called rape in this case) may or may not have happened, and should have been let to the court to decide. Leaking the - presumably innocent - Mr Assanges name to the press and calling a global man hunt for him as a rapist, before even the first interview, is a wrong that certainly will have an impact on his entire life and career. Whatever it is, it's not justice done right.

a3n 13y ago

> Would you believe a woman wearing dildo shoes who's accusing a world famous journalist for rape? Yes, dildo shoes. I'd say it affects my view on what has been said. http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg http://lolpics.se/pics/76665.jpg Those are going to make for an interesting anthropology thesis a couple thousand years from now.