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you know what he should be charged with? rape. because he raped two women.

by octo_t 13y ago

choult 13y ago
Alledgedly. Important word, that.
- octo_t 13y ago
  by his lawyers own statements, what he did was rape.
  - salient 13y ago
    Citation needed.
    - jafaku 13y ago
      It was some very specific sort of rape, but only in Sweden. In any other country it wouldn't be rape or anything else.
venomsnake 13y ago
And now look for the correct allegations. It is not so simple. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/what-are-julian-assanges-sex-charges-all-about http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/what-are-julia... And more credible article. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-... It is between him and sweden anyway
- SwellJoe 13y ago
  Sounds pretty rape-y. I support Assange in any case the US government brings against him regarding leaks. But, it sounds like he behaved more than a little inappropriately with two different women. Sounds like a pattern of abusive behavior, and he shouldn't simply be able to wave that away. Unless there's a realistic case to be made for both women being in the employ of government agencies...I think we have to at least question the man's integrity on this front.
SwellJoe 13y ago
I think you're being downvoted unfairly. It seems likely he crossed serious boundaries. Forcing or sneaking unprotected sex after being asked repeatedly to use a condom is pretty damned rape-y, and in some jurisdictions is legally rape (and by my personal definition, it is rape...consent can be withdrawn by either party at any point in the interaction). So, yeah, he probably should answer for that behavior. I'd be willing to believe that one woman lied to discredit him...I'm less willing to believe that two women did so. Unless they were actually in the employ of government agencies, in which case, he's merely imprudent. Assange is, unfortunately, a very flawed sort of protagonist. Snowden and Manning seem vastly more sympathetic, to me. Where Assange has a massive ego, Snowden and Manning seem extremely humble...and I have a difficult time imagining either being assholes that force themselves on others sexually. It's a shame they're the ones facing the most serious charges.
- dlss 13y ago
  I used to agree when people would say things like you just said. It sounds so reasonable. Honestly, if you had NSA-level ethics, and wanted to discredit Assange, how would you do it?
  - SwellJoe 13y ago
    I agree with you on the NSA-level ethics concept. I believe there are people within US intelligence agencies that would stoop this low without a second thought. But, it's also plausible that Assange is an abusive asshole. Given the circumstances, and the story of the women involved, I'm inclined to believe he's an asshole more than I'm inclined to believe the NSA planted two women into the circle of people supporting him in Sweden. I strongly suspect something would have come out by now to give us some indication if that were true. I've been involved in activist groups. Including some that have been infiltrated by local, state, and federal agents. It tends to come out. There tend to be clues. It may take years (and we may still find out at some point that these women really were honeypots set by some government), but it usually does reveal itself. It's difficult to maintain a completely artificial life and story for a long period of time. I know that cops, feds, spooks, will do horrible thing...but, there are limits to what they can do without being found out. Is this one of those cases? I don't know for sure. But, I'm inclined to say no. I could be wrong.
Kiro 13y ago
You can't say that on HN where people rather believe in conspiracy theories.
- kelvin0 13y ago
  You must be new here? This is one of the most 'un'-conspiracy crowds you'll ever read from.
  - Kiro 13y ago
    So what are they saying it is then if not a conspiracy?
    - jafaku 13y ago
      What's your problem with conspiracies? You seem to think it's synonym of "myth" or something like that. It's not, many conspiracies have actually happened (read some history) and continue to happen. Besides, he hasn't said it's not a conspiracy. Just that this crowd doesn't fall for conspiracy theories with little evidence. Meaning there is massive evidence on this one.
      - Kiro 13y ago
        I haven't seen any evidence, just speculation. It may be a controversial case due to the nature of the crime but I don't think it's a conspiracy.
- jafaku 13y ago
  I say you raped me. Would you gladly come to my country to "answer questions"? If you don't, I will say you are a "conspiracy theorist" (whatever that means).
  - Kiro 13y ago
    Are you a prosecutor?
Mikeb85 13y ago
The charges in Sweden sound rather politically motivated, especially given the revelations about Sweden's place in the whole international NSA spying scandal... http://www.thelocal.se/20130906/50102 http://www.thelocal.se/20130906/50102
alan_cx 13y ago
What happened to innocent until proved guilty?
grey-area 13y ago
you know what he should be charged with? rape. because he raped two women. That's really an issue for a court with the proper jurisdiction to decide after charges via the justice system, not you, me or anyone else here based on the limited evidence we have available in the public domain. Smearing either side on the basis of hearsay is not real justice for anyone involved. It also has nothing to do with any charges related to wikileaks.

you know what he should be charged with? rape. because he raped two women.

by octo_t 13y ago

you know what he should be charged with? rape. because he raped two women.

choult 13y ago

Alledgedly. Important word, that.

octo_t 13y ago
by his lawyers own statements, what he did was rape.
- salient 13y ago
  Citation needed.
  - jafaku 13y ago
    It was some very specific sort of rape, but only in Sweden. In any other country it wouldn't be rape or anything else.

venomsnake 13y ago

And now look for the correct allegations. It is not so simple. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/what-are-julian-assanges-sex-charges-all-about http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/12/what-are-julia... And more credible article. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden http://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-... It is between him and sweden anyway

SwellJoe 13y ago
Sounds pretty rape-y. I support Assange in any case the US government brings against him regarding leaks. But, it sounds like he behaved more than a little inappropriately with two different women. Sounds like a pattern of abusive behavior, and he shouldn't simply be able to wave that away. Unless there's a realistic case to be made for both women being in the employ of government agencies...I think we have to at least question the man's integrity on this front.

SwellJoe 13y ago

I think you're being downvoted unfairly. It seems likely he crossed serious boundaries. Forcing or sneaking unprotected sex after being asked repeatedly to use a condom is pretty damned rape-y, and in some jurisdictions is legally rape (and by my personal definition, it is rape...consent can be withdrawn by either party at any point in the interaction). So, yeah, he probably should answer for that behavior. I'd be willing to believe that one woman lied to discredit him...I'm less willing to believe that two women did so. Unless they were actually in the employ of government agencies, in which case, he's merely imprudent. Assange is, unfortunately, a very flawed sort of protagonist. Snowden and Manning seem vastly more sympathetic, to me. Where Assange has a massive ego, Snowden and Manning seem extremely humble...and I have a difficult time imagining either being assholes that force themselves on others sexually. It's a shame they're the ones facing the most serious charges.

dlss 13y ago
I used to agree when people would say things like you just said. It sounds so reasonable. Honestly, if you had NSA-level ethics, and wanted to discredit Assange, how would you do it?
- SwellJoe 13y ago
  I agree with you on the NSA-level ethics concept. I believe there are people within US intelligence agencies that would stoop this low without a second thought. But, it's also plausible that Assange is an abusive asshole. Given the circumstances, and the story of the women involved, I'm inclined to believe he's an asshole more than I'm inclined to believe the NSA planted two women into the circle of people supporting him in Sweden. I strongly suspect something would have come out by now to give us some indication if that were true. I've been involved in activist groups. Including some that have been infiltrated by local, state, and federal agents. It tends to come out. There tend to be clues. It may take years (and we may still find out at some point that these women really were honeypots set by some government), but it usually does reveal itself. It's difficult to maintain a completely artificial life and story for a long period of time. I know that cops, feds, spooks, will do horrible thing...but, there are limits to what they can do without being found out. Is this one of those cases? I don't know for sure. But, I'm inclined to say no. I could be wrong.

Kiro 13y ago

You can't say that on HN where people rather believe in conspiracy theories.

kelvin0 13y ago
You must be new here? This is one of the most 'un'-conspiracy crowds you'll ever read from.
- Kiro 13y ago
  So what are they saying it is then if not a conspiracy?
  - jafaku 13y ago
    What's your problem with conspiracies? You seem to think it's synonym of "myth" or something like that. It's not, many conspiracies have actually happened (read some history) and continue to happen. Besides, he hasn't said it's not a conspiracy. Just that this crowd doesn't fall for conspiracy theories with little evidence. Meaning there is massive evidence on this one.
    - Kiro 13y ago
      I haven't seen any evidence, just speculation. It may be a controversial case due to the nature of the crime but I don't think it's a conspiracy.
jafaku 13y ago
I say you raped me. Would you gladly come to my country to "answer questions"? If you don't, I will say you are a "conspiracy theorist" (whatever that means).
- Kiro 13y ago
  Are you a prosecutor?

Mikeb85 13y ago

The charges in Sweden sound rather politically motivated, especially given the revelations about Sweden's place in the whole international NSA spying scandal... http://www.thelocal.se/20130906/50102 http://www.thelocal.se/20130906/50102

alan_cx 13y ago

What happened to innocent until proved guilty?

grey-area 13y ago

you know what he should be charged with? rape. because he raped two women. That's really an issue for a court with the proper jurisdiction to decide after charges via the justice system, not you, me or anyone else here based on the limited evidence we have available in the public domain. Smearing either side on the basis of hearsay is not real justice for anyone involved. It also has nothing to do with any charges related to wikileaks.