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Are you serious? You can question everything you want as an ordinary citizen. The moment you sign a contract, specially for the military, you agree to keep yo

Are you serious? You can question everything you want as an ordinary citizen. The moment you sign a contract, specially for the military, you agree to keep your word. So, right, how dare the government hold someone to their word? You're basically advocating lying and not honoring your promises. BTW - I basically make a living honoring promises and contracts, otherwise we wouldn't have customers ;)

samastur 13y ago
Says a guy who sells ads for a living ;)
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6d0debc071 13y ago
> You're basically advocating lying and not honoring your promises. Yes, obviously. There are situations where you ought to lie. The typical example: "Are there any Jews in your basement?" Decency is more than keeping to the words, sometimes it even requires you break them to keep the spirit of promise. We generally give promises contingent on implied good behaviour from the other parties. When others break their promises the stack built on that mutual honour collapses. And I'm fine living in the world where that's the way people treat promises, I massively prefer it to the world where people can be tricked into promising something and then have to keep to it when it turns out to be abhorrent.
Shish2k 13y ago
Yes, if you make two promises, and it later turns out that they were mutually exclusive, I advocate following the laws of physics and breaking one of them. If you think he chose to break the wrong one, then that might be a valid point, but you seem to be implying that if you were in that position you'd keep both o_O
lhnz 13y ago
>> The moment you sign a contract, specially for the military, you agree to keep your word. It's actually possible to lie or break a promise. Sometimes the ethics to do so are stronger than the ethics to not do so.
betterunix 13y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil
looser 13y ago
Well, the moment you become part of the state (government), you agree to FOLLOW the constitution. The question here is not who broke "promises", but who acted against the constitution.
brdrak 13y ago
How far does this go for you? If, let's say, you witness wrongdoing performed by your employer, would you go along because, well, you promised to do a good job when you interviewed?

samastur 13y ago

Says a guy who sells ads for a living ;)

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6d0debc071 13y ago

> You're basically advocating lying and not honoring your promises. Yes, obviously. There are situations where you ought to lie. The typical example: "Are there any Jews in your basement?" Decency is more than keeping to the words, sometimes it even requires you break them to keep the spirit of promise. We generally give promises contingent on implied good behaviour from the other parties. When others break their promises the stack built on that mutual honour collapses. And I'm fine living in the world where that's the way people treat promises, I massively prefer it to the world where people can be tricked into promising something and then have to keep to it when it turns out to be abhorrent.

Shish2k 13y ago

Yes, if you make two promises, and it later turns out that they were mutually exclusive, I advocate following the laws of physics and breaking one of them. If you think he chose to break the wrong one, then that might be a valid point, but you seem to be implying that if you were in that position you'd keep both o_O

lhnz 13y ago

>> The moment you sign a contract, specially for the military, you agree to keep your word. It's actually possible to lie or break a promise. Sometimes the ethics to do so are stronger than the ethics to not do so.

betterunix 13y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil

looser 13y ago

Well, the moment you become part of the state (government), you agree to FOLLOW the constitution. The question here is not who broke "promises", but who acted against the constitution.

brdrak 13y ago

How far does this go for you? If, let's say, you witness wrongdoing performed by your employer, would you go along because, well, you promised to do a good job when you interviewed?