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I don't find it weird. First, the probably insignificant numbers make the impact negligible. Second, it is fair that decisions made in good faith under the rule

by ableal 13y ago

I don't find it weird. First, the probably insignificant numbers make the impact negligible. Second, it is fair that decisions made in good faith under the rules applicable at the time are not retroactively punished.

TylerE 13y ago
But that same argument argues to allow harmonization with similar standards. If I wanted to buy, say, a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco, and have it shipped to the US to drive why shouldn't I be able to. It passes the stringent Euro standards, is based on the same platform as several US-sanctioned vehicles, and uses the same powerplants.
- ghaff 13y ago
  Generally disagree. People react pretty negatively to having stuff that they purchased in good faith being taken away from them. There are limits of course. State inspections (where they exist) tend to keep you from driving a vehicle that's seriously dangerous or polluting but don't require things to be up to all current standards. This seems a bigger deal in general than whether people can buy something that they don't already own given that there are alternatives--which for the majority--are perfectly satisfactory. (Not arguing for silly government regulations of course but, at the margins, I find many more things to get much more annoyed about.)
  - TylerE 13y ago
    That is not my argument. I'm saying why am I not allowed to import a vehicle from a country with standards that are at least equivalent, if not more stringent than our own? I'm talking about a new vehicle on sale in a 1st world country. I could even buy the same vehicle in Mexico, drive it across the border, and drive it here legally if I was a Mexican citizen on vacation. * Well, technically I could import it for "display purposes", but it could not be registered for road use.
- yardie 13y ago
  I have friends and family stationed at a US military base in Germany. They really liked the German cars but knew they weren't going to stay. The local dealer has an Americanization option. It basically changes the bumpers, headlights, and pilot lights and the ECU fuel map. The front bumper requirement explains why American cars don't look as svelte as their european equivalents.
oijaf888 13y ago
But first is true for both cases. If you want to buy something like a Porsche 959, there are only ~200 of them in the world. To get them in the US you have to go through quite the process to have the emissions stuff modified and updated. Even if every one was in the US and constantly driving, I doubt the emissions impact would be worse than a few semi's from the 1970s (and I bet there are plenty of those still on the roads).
WalterBright 13y ago
Insignificant numbers is right. When was the last time you saw a '72 Dodge on the road? What they look like: http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/car-insurance-rates-for-a-dodge-challenger/ http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/car-insurance-rates-fo...
- ScottBurson 13y ago
  Sometime in the last year or two I saw an old Barracuda in the local Whole Foods parking lot. Don't know the model year. Which motor do you have?
  - WalterBright 13y ago
    A stroked & bored 340. It dynos at 380-390 hp.
    - ScottBurson 13y ago
      Ah, that does sound like it would be worth hanging on to. When you said "1972 Dodge" I hoped it was something with a little more oomph than a slant-6 :-)
      - WalterBright 13y ago
        I was going to put a big block in it, but several moparheads told me the bb's unbalance the car (too heavy) and that the 340 was a great block that could be upgraded to pretty hefty power levels. They were right, and I'm pretty happy with it. I dislike chrome plate and billet engine dress-up stuff, I got all go and no show parts. (And a few whoa upgrades.)
- TylerE 13y ago
  Not often...still see more than few old beater late-80s Mercedes (Can't kill those old 300Ds)/Honda Accords and the like. I since this is mode or less the deep south K5 Blazer's are not exactly extinct either. 25 years ago is 1989 model year at this point.

by ableal 13y ago

TylerE 13y ago

But that same argument argues to allow harmonization with similar standards. If I wanted to buy, say, a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Scirocco, and have it shipped to the US to drive why shouldn't I be able to. It passes the stringent Euro standards, is based on the same platform as several US-sanctioned vehicles, and uses the same powerplants.

ghaff 13y ago
Generally disagree. People react pretty negatively to having stuff that they purchased in good faith being taken away from them. There are limits of course. State inspections (where they exist) tend to keep you from driving a vehicle that's seriously dangerous or polluting but don't require things to be up to all current standards. This seems a bigger deal in general than whether people can buy something that they don't already own given that there are alternatives--which for the majority--are perfectly satisfactory. (Not arguing for silly government regulations of course but, at the margins, I find many more things to get much more annoyed about.)
- TylerE 13y ago
  That is not my argument. I'm saying why am I not allowed to import a vehicle from a country with standards that are at least equivalent, if not more stringent than our own? I'm talking about a new vehicle on sale in a 1st world country. I could even buy the same vehicle in Mexico, drive it across the border, and drive it here legally if I was a Mexican citizen on vacation. * Well, technically I could import it for "display purposes", but it could not be registered for road use.
yardie 13y ago
I have friends and family stationed at a US military base in Germany. They really liked the German cars but knew they weren't going to stay. The local dealer has an Americanization option. It basically changes the bumpers, headlights, and pilot lights and the ECU fuel map. The front bumper requirement explains why American cars don't look as svelte as their european equivalents.

oijaf888 13y ago

But first is true for both cases. If you want to buy something like a Porsche 959, there are only ~200 of them in the world. To get them in the US you have to go through quite the process to have the emissions stuff modified and updated. Even if every one was in the US and constantly driving, I doubt the emissions impact would be worse than a few semi's from the 1970s (and I bet there are plenty of those still on the roads).

WalterBright 13y ago

Insignificant numbers is right. When was the last time you saw a '72 Dodge on the road? What they look like: http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/car-insurance-rates-for-a-dodge-challenger/ http://www.carinsurancecomparison.com/car-insurance-rates-fo...

ScottBurson 13y ago
Sometime in the last year or two I saw an old Barracuda in the local Whole Foods parking lot. Don't know the model year. Which motor do you have?
- WalterBright 13y ago
  A stroked & bored 340. It dynos at 380-390 hp.
  - ScottBurson 13y ago
    Ah, that does sound like it would be worth hanging on to. When you said "1972 Dodge" I hoped it was something with a little more oomph than a slant-6 :-)
    - WalterBright 13y ago
      I was going to put a big block in it, but several moparheads told me the bb's unbalance the car (too heavy) and that the 340 was a great block that could be upgraded to pretty hefty power levels. They were right, and I'm pretty happy with it. I dislike chrome plate and billet engine dress-up stuff, I got all go and no show parts. (And a few whoa upgrades.)
TylerE 13y ago
Not often...still see more than few old beater late-80s Mercedes (Can't kill those old 300Ds)/Honda Accords and the like. I since this is mode or less the deep south K5 Blazer's are not exactly extinct either. 25 years ago is 1989 model year at this point.