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You talk a lot about the "christian right", and I would agree with you on this particular case, but the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives than

You talk a lot about the "christian right", and I would agree with you on this particular case, but the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives than the "christian right" is. Get the government out our lives and stop pretending that we need the government to be our nanny.

loup-vaillant 13y ago
Have you envisioned in detail what a government that "isn't our nanny" would look like? Have you visualized the consequences of a transition to such a government? Personally, while I agree governments screw a lot of things up, I have to recognize they have many advantages. Private property for instance often needs a strong government to be properly enforced.
- lake99 13y ago
  While the idea of "strong government" has many vague interpretations, one doesn't need a nanny state to enforce property rights. This is a good starting point for looking at what Benelux countries do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    As a citizen of the Netherlands I can tell you that the country is as neo-liberal[1] as they come, and yet, we have universal healthcare, gay marriage, euthanasia, and abortion. (Also, racism is rampant, culture and education spending continue to be cut, the housing market has been in a slump since 2009, and taxes are on the rise – but I digress.) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-liberal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-liberal
Samuel_Michon 13y ago
> the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives You’re giving the movement way too much credit if you believe the “socialist left” has any clout in the US. I also hope you don’t think the Obama administration is socialist or leftist, as in reality it doesn’t even pass for social-democrat. In the US, the most circulated newspaper by far is the Wall Street Journal and the most watched news channel is FOX News. Both are owned by News Corporation (the Murdoch family) and they are far from socialist.
mcv 13y ago
> the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives than the "christian right" Is it? As far as I can see, the "socialist left" in the US is utterly powerless and negligible. Even the "christian left" has more impact.

loup-vaillant 13y ago

Have you envisioned in detail what a government that "isn't our nanny" would look like? Have you visualized the consequences of a transition to such a government? Personally, while I agree governments screw a lot of things up, I have to recognize they have many advantages. Private property for instance often needs a strong government to be properly enforced.

lake99 13y ago
While the idea of "strong government" has many vague interpretations, one doesn't need a nanny state to enforce property rights. This is a good starting point for looking at what Benelux countries do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_euthanasia
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  As a citizen of the Netherlands I can tell you that the country is as neo-liberal[1] as they come, and yet, we have universal healthcare, gay marriage, euthanasia, and abortion. (Also, racism is rampant, culture and education spending continue to be cut, the housing market has been in a slump since 2009, and taxes are on the rise – but I digress.) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-liberal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-liberal

Samuel_Michon 13y ago

> the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives You’re giving the movement way too much credit if you believe the “socialist left” has any clout in the US. I also hope you don’t think the Obama administration is socialist or leftist, as in reality it doesn’t even pass for social-democrat. In the US, the most circulated newspaper by far is the Wall Street Journal and the most watched news channel is FOX News. Both are owned by News Corporation (the Murdoch family) and they are far from socialist.

mcv 13y ago

> the "socialist left" is far more intrusive in our lives than the "christian right" Is it? As far as I can see, the "socialist left" in the US is utterly powerless and negligible. Even the "christian left" has more impact.