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This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real

This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real one) until 1975 and Communist slave states up until 1989, and that has has active "ethnic cleansing" going on right now? That Europe? Just checking.

enraged_camel 13y ago
Can you please explain what any of those has anything to do with showing nudity and sex on daytime TV?
- Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
  Can you please explain why not showing boobies on TV is a sign of "cultural degradation" and all the other insults that michaelochurch was flinging around but (e.g.) murdering 80 or so million people is not?
  - dinkumthinkum 13y ago
    I think the problem is just that your view does not pander to the naïveté about Europe and the, mostly, ironic low esteem America is in around here.
    - Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
      Sure. Note the down mod for something that doesn't adhere to the received wisdom (but happens to be true nonetheless).
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yarou 13y ago
Clearly this is a troll account since it was created one hour ago. But I'll take the bait and respond anyway. Yes, the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments. What about the ethnic cleansing that the US did in Latin America during the 80s? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
- Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
  Really? 80 million people were killed in ethnic cleansing by the US in Latin America in the 80s? Link to that?
dinkumthinkum 13y ago
Exactly, this level of over propping up of Europe and anti-Americanism s ridiculous. I suppose Alan Turing would have thought of Europe as quite "sane" on sexuality as everyone seems to!
- tluyben2 13y ago
  Nothing to do with anti Americanism. To 'us' (in the EU in this case) it just seems weird that when there is acted sex and fuck-and-such in a movie during daytime on normal (not pay tv) television, in the US this is considered porn, is beeped away or not aired in the first place. You don't call that prude; while no-one here would blink an eye, young or old, over there it needs to be censored? How is that anti-Americanism and how is it not weird?
  - dinkumthinkum 13y ago
    But isn't that just blah blah and not the point here? The constant boogeyman in this thread is that Moore's abuse based upon sexual mores would be impossible in Europe. I think that is nonsense.
    - tluyben2 13y ago
      It is part of the point; if it would be normal (which it is here) to see breasts, this instance would not be as big a deal as it is. You would not lose your job for it nor would anyone care or even point it out if it's just breasts or ass. Hence making Moore his business impossible unless he can get spread shots or sex shots; people who take/film those can expect to have them surface these days. If Moore doesn't, someone else will. That's also a point a point here; we live in these times; stuff you take on a digital camera cannot be considered private in a lot of cases (unless you take it off, print it on a non internet connected photoprinter and put it in an album and then purge (overwrite with 0s) the camera and printer). You have to know that before you are putting pics of your breasts (or more) on computers. You'll forget about them, computers die (but the hds are taken out after you throw them away and can be looked at), images get uploaded in the cloud, etc. If you are a prude then make sure your pics don't get taken in that fashion; even this example; why didn't she remove the breast one and kept the rest? Moore is wrong for not removing images which are contested to be authorized by the subjects, but further; if he doesn't 1000s of others will and do; there are many of these sites a quick Google search shows. He just has a bigger mouth in the press. In short; get used to this happening to your pics and indeed, I do no believe Moore would have success in the EU. He would have to hire porn actresses to play girls and boys doin' it behind/in the church and make it look real to get any kind of 'oh my word!' feedback here. In that from a limited audience as there are not that many believers anymore.

enraged_camel 13y ago

Can you please explain what any of those has anything to do with showing nudity and sex on daytime TV?

Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
Can you please explain why not showing boobies on TV is a sign of "cultural degradation" and all the other insults that michaelochurch was flinging around but (e.g.) murdering 80 or so million people is not?
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  I think the problem is just that your view does not pander to the naïveté about Europe and the, mostly, ironic low esteem America is in around here.
  - Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
    Sure. Note the down mod for something that doesn't adhere to the received wisdom (but happens to be true nonetheless).
- deleted 13y ago
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yarou 13y ago

Clearly this is a troll account since it was created one hour ago. But I'll take the bait and respond anyway. Yes, the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments. What about the ethnic cleansing that the US did in Latin America during the 80s? Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Iku-Nuku-117G 13y ago
Really? 80 million people were killed in ethnic cleansing by the US in Latin America in the 80s? Link to that?

dinkumthinkum 13y ago

Exactly, this level of over propping up of Europe and anti-Americanism s ridiculous. I suppose Alan Turing would have thought of Europe as quite "sane" on sexuality as everyone seems to!

tluyben2 13y ago
Nothing to do with anti Americanism. To 'us' (in the EU in this case) it just seems weird that when there is acted sex and fuck-and-such in a movie during daytime on normal (not pay tv) television, in the US this is considered porn, is beeped away or not aired in the first place. You don't call that prude; while no-one here would blink an eye, young or old, over there it needs to be censored? How is that anti-Americanism and how is it not weird?
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  But isn't that just blah blah and not the point here? The constant boogeyman in this thread is that Moore's abuse based upon sexual mores would be impossible in Europe. I think that is nonsense.
  - tluyben2 13y ago
    It is part of the point; if it would be normal (which it is here) to see breasts, this instance would not be as big a deal as it is. You would not lose your job for it nor would anyone care or even point it out if it's just breasts or ass. Hence making Moore his business impossible unless he can get spread shots or sex shots; people who take/film those can expect to have them surface these days. If Moore doesn't, someone else will. That's also a point a point here; we live in these times; stuff you take on a digital camera cannot be considered private in a lot of cases (unless you take it off, print it on a non internet connected photoprinter and put it in an album and then purge (overwrite with 0s) the camera and printer). You have to know that before you are putting pics of your breasts (or more) on computers. You'll forget about them, computers die (but the hds are taken out after you throw them away and can be looked at), images get uploaded in the cloud, etc. If you are a prude then make sure your pics don't get taken in that fashion; even this example; why didn't she remove the breast one and kept the rest? Moore is wrong for not removing images which are contested to be authorized by the subjects, but further; if he doesn't 1000s of others will and do; there are many of these sites a quick Google search shows. He just has a bigger mouth in the press. In short; get used to this happening to your pics and indeed, I do no believe Moore would have success in the EU. He would have to hire porn actresses to play girls and boys doin' it behind/in the church and make it look real to get any kind of 'oh my word!' feedback here. In that from a limited audience as there are not that many believers anymore.