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Let's face it, being a senior citizen in 25+ years is going to be amazing. I can't wait to retire and just have Viagra fuelled cyber VR sex all day. Take a drag

Let's face it, being a senior citizen in 25+ years is going to be amazing. I can't wait to retire and just have Viagra fuelled cyber VR sex all day. Take a drag of my e-cig after and sent some bitcoins to my grand kids.

ChrisNorstrom 13y ago
That's fine for you but... I'm horrified at what your grand kids will have access to.
- raintrees 13y ago
  At some point along this future, the question might be "What grandkids?"
  - frixionme 13y ago
    Lets be honest kids are a hassle anyway
- bitops 13y ago
  That future is already here. Reading the book "Pornland" by Gail Dines was both shocking and informative. You can be horrified right now at what kids are consuming.
  - mst 13y ago
    It seems from most of her public output that Dines' primary goal is to horrify, more so than to reliably inform. http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/08/7-ways-to-create-a-sex-positive-critique-of-porn/ http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/08/7-ways-to-create-a... is one example of an article critiquing her work.
    - bitops 13y ago
      Have you read any of her books?
      - mst 13y ago
        Given her general alarmist tone and the fact that I can find plenty of critiques of her failure to give a voice to bodies of evidence that arguably contract her conclusions, but not rebuttals, I'm not sure why I'd want to. I did, admittedly, manage to find http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/is_porn_hijacking_our_sexuality_part_2 http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comment... which appears to point out that she consulted meta-studies ... on the other hand, it also indicates that (a) she's comfortable referring to spanking as physical abuse (b) she explains that "My failure to give a detailed definition of porn, or my refusal to celebrate porn as a diverse set of cultural products, comes not from laziness or oversight but a commitment to a radical political economy." ... and it ends with "So please don’t ask us radical feminists to waste our time coming up with scholarly definitions. We have an industry to close down." Which seems to suggest that she believes that when you're trying to argue that X is bad, defining X clearly is a waste of time. I ... really don't think I can see a reason to want to read her books now.
        bitops 13y ago
        In this case, I'll find it completely acceptable to disregard you. If you're going to choose to ignore a comment by someone who's actually bothered to read her 165-page book (which includes 200+ references) in favor of googling some web articles that support a position of ignoring feminist critiques of porn, in all likelihood you don't care about improving society for women. I am taking a strong tone because your comment seems to say that if you believe feminism is bad, giving time to thoroughly investigate feminism is clearly a waste of time.
        mst 13y ago
        Part of the problem that I have is her choice to automatically dismiss any sex-positive feminist critiques - which you're implicitly doing too by calling hers a feminist critique rather than including the sex-negative tag required to provide a reasonably accurate pointer at the form of feminism behind the critique. I've done plenty of reading on both sex-positive and sex-negative feminisms' attitudes towards porn, but Dines' mixture of disingenuous reframing and shrill moralising reminds me more of anti-abortion activists than anything else and contributes rather more to my opinion of Gail Dines than my opinion of the more rational sex negative critiques of porn. (I'd recommend the blog series Prude's Progress - it's not a porn critique but an excellent exploration of sex negativity fully thought through)

ChrisNorstrom 13y ago

That's fine for you but... I'm horrified at what your grand kids will have access to.

raintrees 13y ago
At some point along this future, the question might be "What grandkids?"
- frixionme 13y ago
  Lets be honest kids are a hassle anyway
bitops 13y ago
That future is already here. Reading the book "Pornland" by Gail Dines was both shocking and informative. You can be horrified right now at what kids are consuming.
- mst 13y ago
  It seems from most of her public output that Dines' primary goal is to horrify, more so than to reliably inform. http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/08/7-ways-to-create-a-sex-positive-critique-of-porn/ http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/07/08/7-ways-to-create-a... is one example of an article critiquing her work.
  - bitops 13y ago
    Have you read any of her books?
    - mst 13y ago
      Given her general alarmist tone and the fact that I can find plenty of critiques of her failure to give a voice to bodies of evidence that arguably contract her conclusions, but not rebuttals, I'm not sure why I'd want to. I did, admittedly, manage to find http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comments/is_porn_hijacking_our_sexuality_part_2 http://www.newleftproject.org/index.php/site/article_comment... which appears to point out that she consulted meta-studies ... on the other hand, it also indicates that (a) she's comfortable referring to spanking as physical abuse (b) she explains that "My failure to give a detailed definition of porn, or my refusal to celebrate porn as a diverse set of cultural products, comes not from laziness or oversight but a commitment to a radical political economy." ... and it ends with "So please don’t ask us radical feminists to waste our time coming up with scholarly definitions. We have an industry to close down." Which seems to suggest that she believes that when you're trying to argue that X is bad, defining X clearly is a waste of time. I ... really don't think I can see a reason to want to read her books now.
      - bitops 13y ago
        In this case, I'll find it completely acceptable to disregard you. If you're going to choose to ignore a comment by someone who's actually bothered to read her 165-page book (which includes 200+ references) in favor of googling some web articles that support a position of ignoring feminist critiques of porn, in all likelihood you don't care about improving society for women. I am taking a strong tone because your comment seems to say that if you believe feminism is bad, giving time to thoroughly investigate feminism is clearly a waste of time.
        mst 13y ago
        Part of the problem that I have is her choice to automatically dismiss any sex-positive feminist critiques - which you're implicitly doing too by calling hers a feminist critique rather than including the sex-negative tag required to provide a reasonably accurate pointer at the form of feminism behind the critique. I've done plenty of reading on both sex-positive and sex-negative feminisms' attitudes towards porn, but Dines' mixture of disingenuous reframing and shrill moralising reminds me more of anti-abortion activists than anything else and contributes rather more to my opinion of Gail Dines than my opinion of the more rational sex negative critiques of porn. (I'd recommend the blog series Prude's Progress - it's not a porn critique but an excellent exploration of sex negativity fully thought through)