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Don't you think that he's being a little inflammatory with statements this? But it is intellectually dishonest to pretend that people are just now discover

by pyre 13y ago

Don't you think that he's being a little inflammatory with statements this? But it is intellectually dishonest to pretend that people are just now discovering that NSA was breaking into computers around the world. By your own admission, you are just now discovering that the NSA was breaking into computers around the world.

se523 13y ago
^wrong assumptions. You're assuming he didn't know already. Why would one make a statement like that if one didn't know beforehand?
dhimes 13y ago
(sorry for the late reply) Perhaps somewhat, but not really. I read the word 'people' in the sense of 'some group' instead of 'any single person.' In other words, 'people now know that eggs aren't bad for you' doesn't mean that every single person has learned this, just that the knowledge is in the generally accepted body of knowledge and those with business or interest in nutrition know it. At least that's how I read it.
- pyre 13y ago
  But if a person does not know that the NSA is doing this (and possibly would tell you that they aren't doing it, were you to ask), then is that person being intellectually dishonest in acting like this knowledge is new to everyone? I think that leveling a claim of intellectual dishonesty at someone who thinks that everyone else was as ignorant as they were is a bit harsh, and sort of inflammatory. I think that most people would reasonably believe that if there were such strong signals that the NSA was doing this it would be closer to public knowledge than it was.
  - dhimes 13y ago
    I don't mean to drag this on forever, but I read the comment differently- as I said in the reply linked below. In short, that person isn't being intellectually dishonest. But the organizations who did know better and are pretending otherwise are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6796335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6796335

by pyre 13y ago

se523 13y ago

^wrong assumptions. You're assuming he didn't know already. Why would one make a statement like that if one didn't know beforehand?

dhimes 13y ago

(sorry for the late reply) Perhaps somewhat, but not really. I read the word 'people' in the sense of 'some group' instead of 'any single person.' In other words, 'people now know that eggs aren't bad for you' doesn't mean that every single person has learned this, just that the knowledge is in the generally accepted body of knowledge and those with business or interest in nutrition know it. At least that's how I read it.

pyre 13y ago
But if a person does not know that the NSA is doing this (and possibly would tell you that they aren't doing it, were you to ask), then is that person being intellectually dishonest in acting like this knowledge is new to everyone? I think that leveling a claim of intellectual dishonesty at someone who thinks that everyone else was as ignorant as they were is a bit harsh, and sort of inflammatory. I think that most people would reasonably believe that if there were such strong signals that the NSA was doing this it would be closer to public knowledge than it was.
- dhimes 13y ago
  I don't mean to drag this on forever, but I read the comment differently- as I said in the reply linked below. In short, that person isn't being intellectually dishonest. But the organizations who did know better and are pretending otherwise are. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6796335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6796335