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> You may have seen them crop-up on tech hangouts like Hacker News I hang out on HN fairly often and haven't seen a single royalist.

by znowi 13y ago

kijin 13y ago
I've seen one instance of a Moldbug fan: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5965530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5965530 Other than that, I agree that HN just looks like a healthy mix of democrats, (crypto-)libertarians, and an occasional conservative.
- davidgerard 13y ago
  And Urbit, which is Moldbug's.
  - djur 13y ago
    Two or three clicks away from the Urbit homepage you can get to any number of charming screeds about how the United States is communist and how scientific racists are being persecuted by the communist power structure, etc. Kind of put a different light on the whole thing.
    - davidgerard 13y ago
      For an example of fully rampant Typical Mind Fallacy in Urbit, see the security document: http://www.urbit.org/2013/08/22/Chapter-6-security.html http://www.urbit.org/2013/08/22/Chapter-6-security.html About two-thirds of the way down, you can actually see Yarvin transform into Moldbug and start pontificating on how humans communicating on a network should work, and never mind the observable evidence of how they actually have behaved whenever each of the conditions he describes have obtained.
      - _delirium 13y ago
        This is starting to feel like LoseThos will present fewer pitfalls.
CookWithMe 13y ago
I wonder if they've put "Cathedral" into the HN-search, got some cathedral and bazaar-discussions, and concluded the royalists hang out on HN... after all, why would tech-folks talk about cathedrals otherwise, right?
invalidOrTaken 13y ago
Hi :)
AndrewKemendo 13y ago
Here is one I responded to just over a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6729736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6729736 So they exist. Not sure how widespread it is, but I would also imagine that it's a larger group than would be apparent simply because most folks don't want to out themselves as "anti-democratic" the most ultimate of sins.
- gojomo 13y ago
  Not quite fair to label someone a 'royalist' who self-describes as: "I've settled on parvumianism (to coin a neologisim): in favor of small political units in which the appropriate political mechanism can be chosen and meaningfully consented to."
  - AndrewKemendo 13y ago
    Well since the poster advocated reading "Democracy the God that failed" which specifically posits that monarchy is a better system (Based on it's incentive structure), I would say that is about as close as you can get. Only when I disagreed with the extremity did the poster make up his new term. I think you are right though that it would be incorrect to label anyone as anything unless they explicitly stated as such.
    - gojomo 13y ago
      Many people read and recommend books that they don't fully endorse. The book might just be interesting, based on the current topic of conversation.
- carsongross 13y ago
  I found the book an interesting and compelling critique of democracy, which I grew up without questioning, but I'm not a monarchist. I'm fairly agnostic about the best way to organize politically, beyond coming to the conclusion that if a government is to meaningfully derive its powers from the consent of the governed, then, depending on how strong a culture there is, there can't be very many governed.
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> You may have seen them crop-up on tech hangouts like Hacker News I hang out on HN fairly often and haven't seen a single royalist.

by znowi 13y ago

> You may have seen them crop-up on tech hangouts like Hacker News I hang out on HN fairly often and haven't seen a single royalist.

kijin 13y ago

I've seen one instance of a Moldbug fan: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5965530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5965530 Other than that, I agree that HN just looks like a healthy mix of democrats, (crypto-)libertarians, and an occasional conservative.

davidgerard 13y ago
And Urbit, which is Moldbug's.
- djur 13y ago
  Two or three clicks away from the Urbit homepage you can get to any number of charming screeds about how the United States is communist and how scientific racists are being persecuted by the communist power structure, etc. Kind of put a different light on the whole thing.
  - davidgerard 13y ago
    For an example of fully rampant Typical Mind Fallacy in Urbit, see the security document: http://www.urbit.org/2013/08/22/Chapter-6-security.html http://www.urbit.org/2013/08/22/Chapter-6-security.html About two-thirds of the way down, you can actually see Yarvin transform into Moldbug and start pontificating on how humans communicating on a network should work, and never mind the observable evidence of how they actually have behaved whenever each of the conditions he describes have obtained.
    - _delirium 13y ago
      This is starting to feel like LoseThos will present fewer pitfalls.

CookWithMe 13y ago

I wonder if they've put "Cathedral" into the HN-search, got some cathedral and bazaar-discussions, and concluded the royalists hang out on HN... after all, why would tech-folks talk about cathedrals otherwise, right?

invalidOrTaken 13y ago

Hi :)

AndrewKemendo 13y ago

Here is one I responded to just over a week ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6729736 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6729736 So they exist. Not sure how widespread it is, but I would also imagine that it's a larger group than would be apparent simply because most folks don't want to out themselves as "anti-democratic" the most ultimate of sins.

gojomo 13y ago
Not quite fair to label someone a 'royalist' who self-describes as: "I've settled on parvumianism (to coin a neologisim): in favor of small political units in which the appropriate political mechanism can be chosen and meaningfully consented to."
- AndrewKemendo 13y ago
  Well since the poster advocated reading "Democracy the God that failed" which specifically posits that monarchy is a better system (Based on it's incentive structure), I would say that is about as close as you can get. Only when I disagreed with the extremity did the poster make up his new term. I think you are right though that it would be incorrect to label anyone as anything unless they explicitly stated as such.
  - gojomo 13y ago
    Many people read and recommend books that they don't fully endorse. The book might just be interesting, based on the current topic of conversation.
carsongross 13y ago
I found the book an interesting and compelling critique of democracy, which I grew up without questioning, but I'm not a monarchist. I'm fairly agnostic about the best way to organize politically, beyond coming to the conclusion that if a government is to meaningfully derive its powers from the consent of the governed, then, depending on how strong a culture there is, there can't be very many governed.

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