Sorry, I beg to differ in this story. Are you saying these two engineers have no idea what the hell is going on and that they have not been told about what is b

Sorry, I beg to differ in this story. Are you saying these two engineers have no idea what the hell is going on and that they have not been told about what is being discussed here? These guys are software engineers and they sure have friends and co-workers who are HN readers. And they being the main party involved you think they haven't visited the site is one big fat red presumptuous of you in your own word. If I accuse you being a cheater you sure won't check HN. I am pretty sure.