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Are you saying that the dozens of people claiming that no one tested their apps are all lying? Like others have said previously, Salesforce must have forgotten

Are you saying that the dozens of people claiming that no one tested their apps are all lying? Like others have said previously, Salesforce must have forgotten about analytics.

gwf 13y ago
I am saying that there is a misunderstanding. The earliest rounds of judging looked at the videos of the apps that contestants produced as well as a code review as a sanity check. This was done most likely so that each app could be viewed in the best possible light as well as to help the judges scale to the number of entries. So, no, the people complaining are not lying but they and anyone else would be incorrect to conclude that their app was not evaluated. Every app was evaluated. All by videos. Some by code review. And a few through every reasonable means.
- teraflop 13y ago
  What about the people who checked the analytics on their videos and determined that they hadn't been viewed?
  - gwf 13y ago
    I honestly haven't seen a single complaint like that. Can you point me to one? FWIW, I am pretty sure that each entry was reviewed at least twice.
    - shuzchen 13y ago
      This hn comment links to a few places where people complained: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6779036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6779036 The link that specifically shows people complaining that nobody viewed their app or looked at their video is this: http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/forum_topics/2644 http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/forum_topics/264...
      - gwf 13y ago
        Your first link doesn't contain a single complaint claiming that people's videos were not viewed. It does, however, link to the second link, and the other two links it contains make no references to this sort of complaint. The second link has exactly one person clearly stating that they've received zero launches and zero video plays. There is a second person that states "Yeah, same here. We had a workflow setup to send us notifications if any new used the app and received none." Notice that he/she doesn't mention video plays. So, in total, we have exactly one person that says that they've received zero launches and zero video plays. If I've unfairly characterized the data behind your links, please let me know. But that's all that I can find. In trying to find out if they have a valid complaint, I've discovered that the person behind that complaint is responsible for a significant portion of all of the discussions and complaints at the challenge site. One thing is clear: their submission is in the same area as the winning entry. In their shoes, I might be disappointed for that reason alone. But for the sake of transparency, here are the two entries: The winning entry (which is admittedly being evaluated to see if they conformed to all rules): http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/submissions/18552-healthcare-love The entry for the person or group that claimed that their video was never viewed: http://vimeo.com/79921465 In any case, I encourage you to look at the two videos and tell me if you think there was an injustice with the rank ordering.
        willchilcutt 13y ago
        Thanks for giving more feedback. Would you be kind to respond to the other child of your OP pointing out that the winner had been working and actually demoed their app way before the starting period set out in the rules? Thanks!
        gwf 13y ago
        No problem. Will do in a second...
        colabi 13y ago
        gwf. if you, and salesforce, really believe it was an improbable series of poor decisions and not malicious intent, tell your bosses it is time to build the redemption story. and we can speak about how to reboot this together, the company and the contestants.
- colabi 13y ago
  so here's the thing. when you lure people into such a large development period with this statement: But it’s not going to be easy—$1 million is going to bring out the best of the best. So don’t wait until Dreamforce, you’re going to want to get started now. and you only have 150 entries, you owe everyone a run. video review becomes inexcusable. people flew in with weeks of work and teams of people. and you reviewed their video? was this supposed reward video craftsmanship? the last thing on many people's minds when you intentionally led them to believe it was the work that counted?

Are you saying that the dozens of people claiming that no one tested their apps are all lying? Like others have said previously, Salesforce must have forgotten about analytics.

gwf 13y ago

I am saying that there is a misunderstanding. The earliest rounds of judging looked at the videos of the apps that contestants produced as well as a code review as a sanity check. This was done most likely so that each app could be viewed in the best possible light as well as to help the judges scale to the number of entries. So, no, the people complaining are not lying but they and anyone else would be incorrect to conclude that their app was not evaluated. Every app was evaluated. All by videos. Some by code review. And a few through every reasonable means.

teraflop 13y ago
What about the people who checked the analytics on their videos and determined that they hadn't been viewed?
- gwf 13y ago
  I honestly haven't seen a single complaint like that. Can you point me to one? FWIW, I am pretty sure that each entry was reviewed at least twice.
  - shuzchen 13y ago
    This hn comment links to a few places where people complained: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6779036 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6779036 The link that specifically shows people complaining that nobody viewed their app or looked at their video is this: http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/forum_topics/2644 http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/forum_topics/264...
    - gwf 13y ago
      Your first link doesn't contain a single complaint claiming that people's videos were not viewed. It does, however, link to the second link, and the other two links it contains make no references to this sort of complaint. The second link has exactly one person clearly stating that they've received zero launches and zero video plays. There is a second person that states "Yeah, same here. We had a workflow setup to send us notifications if any new used the app and received none." Notice that he/she doesn't mention video plays. So, in total, we have exactly one person that says that they've received zero launches and zero video plays. If I've unfairly characterized the data behind your links, please let me know. But that's all that I can find. In trying to find out if they have a valid complaint, I've discovered that the person behind that complaint is responsible for a significant portion of all of the discussions and complaints at the challenge site. One thing is clear: their submission is in the same area as the winning entry. In their shoes, I might be disappointed for that reason alone. But for the sake of transparency, here are the two entries: The winning entry (which is admittedly being evaluated to see if they conformed to all rules): http://salesforce1million.challengepost.com/submissions/18552-healthcare-love The entry for the person or group that claimed that their video was never viewed: http://vimeo.com/79921465 In any case, I encourage you to look at the two videos and tell me if you think there was an injustice with the rank ordering.
      - willchilcutt 13y ago
        Thanks for giving more feedback. Would you be kind to respond to the other child of your OP pointing out that the winner had been working and actually demoed their app way before the starting period set out in the rules? Thanks!
        gwf 13y ago
        No problem. Will do in a second...
        colabi 13y ago
        gwf. if you, and salesforce, really believe it was an improbable series of poor decisions and not malicious intent, tell your bosses it is time to build the redemption story. and we can speak about how to reboot this together, the company and the contestants.
colabi 13y ago
so here's the thing. when you lure people into such a large development period with this statement: But it’s not going to be easy—$1 million is going to bring out the best of the best. So don’t wait until Dreamforce, you’re going to want to get started now. and you only have 150 entries, you owe everyone a run. video review becomes inexcusable. people flew in with weeks of work and teams of people. and you reviewed their video? was this supposed reward video craftsmanship? the last thing on many people's minds when you intentionally led them to believe it was the work that counted?