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I don't know about Germany, but in the UK the minimum wage is so low that it isn't enough to live on and the government have to make welfare benefit payments so

I don't know about Germany, but in the UK the minimum wage is so low that it isn't enough to live on and the government have to make welfare benefit payments so that the people on minimum wage can survive. Businesses are only able to pay such low wages because the government effectively subsidizes them. Also there are a lot of loopholes in the law, e.g. workers on the government 'work programme' can be paid less than the minimum wage. Interns are supposed to be paid minimum wage, but most are not paid anything at all and the only consequence is that the government writes a stern letter to their employers.

byoung2 13y ago
I don't know about Germany, but in the UK the minimum wage is so low that it isn't enough to live on and the government have to make welfare benefit payments so that the people on minimum wage can survive. That is also true in many parts of the US. In California, it is currently $8/hr, which means if you are able to work 40 hours a week (likely across two employers), you make $16,640 per year. At that income, you couldn't afford to live alone in Los Angeles, where a studio apartment would cost $1200/month, which is already 86% of your income. You could, however, qualify for subsidized housing, which would pay 80% of your rent, nutrition assistance which would give you a few hundred dollars per month to buy groceries, and recently, subsidized health insurance that would give you a basic HMO plan for free. In effect, the government (federal, state, county, and city) is basically matching the employer dollar for dollar for many minimum wage employees.
- forktheif 13y ago
  UK minimum wage is £6.31 an hour which converts to $10.24, so slightly higher. Though maybe that conversion is too simplistic.
  - byoung2 13y ago
    The cost of living is likely higher in the UK. Even in Los Angeles you can get a pint of beer for $4 or a six pack for $8. That is a good benchmark for minimum wages. http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/11/08/62761.htm http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/11/08/62761.htm
    - PeterisP 13y ago
      Beer (and gas) shouldn't ever be used to benchmark wages and purchasing power, as those prices are highly determined by local product-specific taxes. That being said, I believe that non-London UK living costs are not higher than USA; London is a different story.
    - mjn 13y ago
      If that were the benchmark, Copenhagen is cheap! You can get a six-pack of Tuborg or Heineken for about $7-8, including tax, and any kind of normal local pub will have half-liters at $4-5 (though prices can go up to $10+ at fancy bars). That makes the $20/hr minimum wage look quite nice relative to costs: about three six-packs per hour of work! However, some other things are expensive, such as housing.

I don't know about Germany, but in the UK the minimum wage is so low that it isn't enough to live on and the government have to make welfare benefit payments so that the people on minimum wage can survive. Businesses are only able to pay such low wages because the government effectively subsidizes them. Also there are a lot of loopholes in the law, e.g. workers on the government 'work programme' can be paid less than the minimum wage. Interns are supposed to be paid minimum wage, but most are not paid anything at all and the only consequence is that the government writes a stern letter to their employers.

byoung2 13y ago

I don't know about Germany, but in the UK the minimum wage is so low that it isn't enough to live on and the government have to make welfare benefit payments so that the people on minimum wage can survive. That is also true in many parts of the US. In California, it is currently $8/hr, which means if you are able to work 40 hours a week (likely across two employers), you make $16,640 per year. At that income, you couldn't afford to live alone in Los Angeles, where a studio apartment would cost $1200/month, which is already 86% of your income. You could, however, qualify for subsidized housing, which would pay 80% of your rent, nutrition assistance which would give you a few hundred dollars per month to buy groceries, and recently, subsidized health insurance that would give you a basic HMO plan for free. In effect, the government (federal, state, county, and city) is basically matching the employer dollar for dollar for many minimum wage employees.

forktheif 13y ago
UK minimum wage is £6.31 an hour which converts to $10.24, so slightly higher. Though maybe that conversion is too simplistic.
- byoung2 13y ago
  The cost of living is likely higher in the UK. Even in Los Angeles you can get a pint of beer for $4 or a six pack for $8. That is a good benchmark for minimum wages. http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/11/08/62761.htm http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/11/08/62761.htm
  - PeterisP 13y ago
    Beer (and gas) shouldn't ever be used to benchmark wages and purchasing power, as those prices are highly determined by local product-specific taxes. That being said, I believe that non-London UK living costs are not higher than USA; London is a different story.
  - mjn 13y ago
    If that were the benchmark, Copenhagen is cheap! You can get a six-pack of Tuborg or Heineken for about $7-8, including tax, and any kind of normal local pub will have half-liters at $4-5 (though prices can go up to $10+ at fancy bars). That makes the $20/hr minimum wage look quite nice relative to costs: about three six-packs per hour of work! However, some other things are expensive, such as housing.