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IPhone 3GS jailbreak update - iDevTeam waiting to release

12 points by abl 17y ago

jrockway 17y ago
Smart. But it's sad that people will buy hardware that conspires against them to make their life difficult. If you really want a "jailbroken" phone, why not support companies that are making that functionality available voluntarily?
- jmonegro 17y ago
  Because they're not nearly as awesome.
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Not sure I agree. The iPhone has great visual effects, but the Android phones I've played with seem a lot more usable. Google services integrate wonderfully, and the third-party apps tend to do cooler things. (Hello tethering, location awareness, etc.)
    - mcav 17y ago
      Serious question: Does anyone have a good link to a more technical comparison of the iPhone OS, Android, and WebOS? Not necessarily the phones themselves, but of the current and future potential of those platforms? I've done a little searching, and there's a lot of information out there; maybe one of you has seen something more technical that explores each platform in more depth. I'd love to support WebOS, but it's still incredibly young, and I'd hate to switch to a platform that ends up dead-ended.
      - jrockway 17y ago
        WebOS: Do whatever Palm says you can. iPhone OS: Do whatever Apple says you can. Android: Do whatever you want.
      - jmonegro 17y ago
        http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-showdown http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-s... less technical, but including webOS: http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/69907/smartphone-os-smackdown-webos-vs-world http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/69907/smartphone-os...
    - zimbabwe 17y ago
      If you treat your phone like a feature list then the iPhone has competition. Its best apps are vastly cooler than anything else on a mobile platform, but the iPhone itself is simply a very good phone feature-wise, nothing incredibly standout. If any part of you cares about usability, or about gorgeous interfaces, or about incredible design, then you can't go with any phone other than the iPhone. There's no competition. The Pre is the closest thing there is, but even it's not at all close. Apple as a company has thoroughly nitpicked its designs. Some people don't notice - you seem like you're the type not to be anal about design. For the people that live for design, the iPhone is something of a miracle. I can't think of many things that are as beautiful as the iPhone. Most people are somewhere between me and you. Some people don't want many features, but they want the things they've got to be gorgeous; other people don't notice the little blips in design and stick to phones that are better at other things. The iPhone and Android aren't competing with one another. They're mobile OSes that focus on doing very different things, aimed at different markets. Google gets that. I don't know if the phone manufacturers licensing Android get it, because they keep trying to compare themselves to the iPhone. They shouldn't; they have a solid product that happens to target a different market. So what's neat is that you can get the phone you want and I can get the phone I want, and we can both go away thinking we've got the better phone, and both of us are right.
      - jmonegro 17y ago
        Concerning design, you have got to see the HTC Hero Android phone with HTC's new "Sense" android UI design. It's beautiful. More than the iPhone (although that might be because I've grown a bored of the iPhone UI) http://gizmodo.com/5301948/htc-debuts-hero-with-fresh-face-for-android http://gizmodo.com/5301948/htc-debuts-hero-with-fresh-face-f... http://gizmodo.com/5302637/htc-heros-teflon-coating-makes-the-iphone-feel-like-junk http://gizmodo.com/5302637/htc-heros-teflon-coating-makes-th... http://gizmodo.com/5302323/htc-ceo-says-the-sexy-sense-android-interface-coming-to-existing-phones http://gizmodo.com/5302323/htc-ceo-says-the-sexy-sense-andro... http://gizmodo.com/5301955/htc-hero-android-phone-hands+on-with-video http://gizmodo.com/5301955/htc-hero-android-phone-hands+on-w... So yeah, Apple better watch out design-wise, and allow official downloadable themes for the iPhone via AppStore.
  - davidw 17y ago
    Hackers who give up their liberty for some awesomeness deserve neither :-)
- ubernostrum 17y ago
  I can't honestly say that my iPhone has made my life difficult. And, really, if you want an unlocked phone with a a comparable feature set, you need to be prepared to pay through the nose just to get a handset that doesn't do anything. And then pay again to get service for it.
  - jrockway 17y ago
    I can't honestly say that my iPhone has made my life difficult. You aren't trying to write free software for it.
    - zimbabwe 17y ago
      No. He's using it for the applications written by developers who are fine with their code not being free because they're given incredible access to millions of people or because they have some of the best developer tools there are. The people coding for the iPhone aren't forced to code for a closed system. They choose to code for it, because they love the operating system; the people who buy their applications love the operating system; everybody wins. I understand you like free software. You've spent two years reminding people here about how much you love free software; loving free software is awesome and it promotes a lot of good feelings in the programming world. But you have this tendency to jump into arguments and start parading your views no matter how logical the other side seems. I mean, we know the App Store is fucked up, and we complain about it, and we know that to you, the iPhone's being closed is a complete no-no. But you refuse to even admit that the other side has a logical point. This is something like the fifth time this week where you disagree with somebody not by refuting their points, but by implying that the person you're arguing with hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. Having a contrary viewpoint is awesome. Disagreeing with other people's philosophies is awesome. Getting into protruded debate is awesome. But your occasional tactic of debating with somebody by ignoring everything they're saying and assuming they're ignoramuses is pointless and irritating. Stop.
      - jrockway 17y ago
        See, this is all irrelevant. The initial condition that I stated in my first post was, that if you don't want Apple's conditions, don't get an iPhone. Someone took that to mean, "if you are happy with Apple's constraints, then don't buy an iPhone". I did not say that. I think you'll agree that if you wake up in the morning and say to yourself, "I think I want to write Free software for a mobile telephone", your next statement will not be, "and now I'm going to go buy an iPhone." Right? Your occasional tactic of debating with somebody by ignoring everything they're saying and assuming they're ignoramuses is pointless and irritating. Stop.

12 points by abl 17y ago

Smart. But it's sad that people will buy hardware that conspires against them to make their life difficult. If you really want a "jailbroken" phone, why not support companies that are making that functionality available voluntarily?

jmonegro 17y ago
Because they're not nearly as awesome.
- jrockway 17y ago
  Not sure I agree. The iPhone has great visual effects, but the Android phones I've played with seem a lot more usable. Google services integrate wonderfully, and the third-party apps tend to do cooler things. (Hello tethering, location awareness, etc.)
  - mcav 17y ago
    Serious question: Does anyone have a good link to a more technical comparison of the iPhone OS, Android, and WebOS? Not necessarily the phones themselves, but of the current and future potential of those platforms? I've done a little searching, and there's a lot of information out there; maybe one of you has seen something more technical that explores each platform in more depth. I'd love to support WebOS, but it's still incredibly young, and I'd hate to switch to a platform that ends up dead-ended.
    - jrockway 17y ago
      WebOS: Do whatever Palm says you can. iPhone OS: Do whatever Apple says you can. Android: Do whatever you want.
    - jmonegro 17y ago
      http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-showdown http://lifehacker.com/5173441/android-versus-iphone-30-the-s... less technical, but including webOS: http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/69907/smartphone-os-smackdown-webos-vs-world http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/69907/smartphone-os...
  - zimbabwe 17y ago
    If you treat your phone like a feature list then the iPhone has competition. Its best apps are vastly cooler than anything else on a mobile platform, but the iPhone itself is simply a very good phone feature-wise, nothing incredibly standout. If any part of you cares about usability, or about gorgeous interfaces, or about incredible design, then you can't go with any phone other than the iPhone. There's no competition. The Pre is the closest thing there is, but even it's not at all close. Apple as a company has thoroughly nitpicked its designs. Some people don't notice - you seem like you're the type not to be anal about design. For the people that live for design, the iPhone is something of a miracle. I can't think of many things that are as beautiful as the iPhone. Most people are somewhere between me and you. Some people don't want many features, but they want the things they've got to be gorgeous; other people don't notice the little blips in design and stick to phones that are better at other things. The iPhone and Android aren't competing with one another. They're mobile OSes that focus on doing very different things, aimed at different markets. Google gets that. I don't know if the phone manufacturers licensing Android get it, because they keep trying to compare themselves to the iPhone. They shouldn't; they have a solid product that happens to target a different market. So what's neat is that you can get the phone you want and I can get the phone I want, and we can both go away thinking we've got the better phone, and both of us are right.
    - jmonegro 17y ago
      Concerning design, you have got to see the HTC Hero Android phone with HTC's new "Sense" android UI design. It's beautiful. More than the iPhone (although that might be because I've grown a bored of the iPhone UI) http://gizmodo.com/5301948/htc-debuts-hero-with-fresh-face-for-android http://gizmodo.com/5301948/htc-debuts-hero-with-fresh-face-f... http://gizmodo.com/5302637/htc-heros-teflon-coating-makes-the-iphone-feel-like-junk http://gizmodo.com/5302637/htc-heros-teflon-coating-makes-th... http://gizmodo.com/5302323/htc-ceo-says-the-sexy-sense-android-interface-coming-to-existing-phones http://gizmodo.com/5302323/htc-ceo-says-the-sexy-sense-andro... http://gizmodo.com/5301955/htc-hero-android-phone-hands+on-with-video http://gizmodo.com/5301955/htc-hero-android-phone-hands+on-w... So yeah, Apple better watch out design-wise, and allow official downloadable themes for the iPhone via AppStore.
- davidw 17y ago
  Hackers who give up their liberty for some awesomeness deserve neither :-)
ubernostrum 17y ago
I can't honestly say that my iPhone has made my life difficult. And, really, if you want an unlocked phone with a a comparable feature set, you need to be prepared to pay through the nose just to get a handset that doesn't do anything. And then pay again to get service for it.
- jrockway 17y ago
  I can't honestly say that my iPhone has made my life difficult. You aren't trying to write free software for it.
  - zimbabwe 17y ago
    No. He's using it for the applications written by developers who are fine with their code not being free because they're given incredible access to millions of people or because they have some of the best developer tools there are. The people coding for the iPhone aren't forced to code for a closed system. They choose to code for it, because they love the operating system; the people who buy their applications love the operating system; everybody wins. I understand you like free software. You've spent two years reminding people here about how much you love free software; loving free software is awesome and it promotes a lot of good feelings in the programming world. But you have this tendency to jump into arguments and start parading your views no matter how logical the other side seems. I mean, we know the App Store is fucked up, and we complain about it, and we know that to you, the iPhone's being closed is a complete no-no. But you refuse to even admit that the other side has a logical point. This is something like the fifth time this week where you disagree with somebody not by refuting their points, but by implying that the person you're arguing with hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. Having a contrary viewpoint is awesome. Disagreeing with other people's philosophies is awesome. Getting into protruded debate is awesome. But your occasional tactic of debating with somebody by ignoring everything they're saying and assuming they're ignoramuses is pointless and irritating. Stop.
    - jrockway 17y ago
      See, this is all irrelevant. The initial condition that I stated in my first post was, that if you don't want Apple's conditions, don't get an iPhone. Someone took that to mean, "if you are happy with Apple's constraints, then don't buy an iPhone". I did not say that. I think you'll agree that if you wake up in the morning and say to yourself, "I think I want to write Free software for a mobile telephone", your next statement will not be, "and now I'm going to go buy an iPhone." Right? Your occasional tactic of debating with somebody by ignoring everything they're saying and assuming they're ignoramuses is pointless and irritating. Stop.