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>>The risk and responsibility that management takes? it is not personal risk I am not so sure. Usually it isn't the entire team that gets fired, it's the proje

>>The risk and responsibility that management takes? it is not personal risk I am not so sure. Usually it isn't the entire team that gets fired, it's the project manager. The company still acknowledges the knowledge and value locked up in the engineer, and if he did his job, but the project manager / whomever made the wrong choices, the engineer is pretty safe. Unless of course the entire company goes down, but when you have management tiers, the company is large so usually some project managers gets fired first before everybody else. >>It's not about fair. It's about who is closest to and has the most control over the actual cash, and who is in a stronger position because of that control to negotiate a higher rate. That is absolutely true, and is why the CFO is usually one of the best paid employees in a company, even though his value to the company might be lower than other key employees.

lsc 13y ago
>I am not so sure. Usually it isn't the entire team that gets fired, it's the project manager. The company still acknowledges the knowledge and value locked up in the engineer, and if he did his job, but the project manager / whomever made the wrong choices, the engineer is pretty safe. If the project fails, well, seeing to it that the project doesn't fail is the manager's job, so yeah, if the project fails, the manager is more likely to get fired than an Engineer, especially if other managers think that the project failed due to poor management. However, if the engineer fails, it is the manager's job to fire the Engineer in question, before the Engineer's failure turns into a project failure. So either way, yeah, if you are perceived to have failed at your job, you are likely to get fired. The manager has a different job than the engineer, and thus is likely to get fired in different situations. But I don't think that managers have less job security than Engineers. In fact, I think Managers face rather less systemic risk in terms of technology changes than Engineers do. For instance, when UNIX beat mainframes? There were a lot of SysAdmins who had to scramble for serious retraining or to make the jump to management.

lsc 13y ago

>I am not so sure. Usually it isn't the entire team that gets fired, it's the project manager. The company still acknowledges the knowledge and value locked up in the engineer, and if he did his job, but the project manager / whomever made the wrong choices, the engineer is pretty safe. If the project fails, well, seeing to it that the project doesn't fail is the manager's job, so yeah, if the project fails, the manager is more likely to get fired than an Engineer, especially if other managers think that the project failed due to poor management. However, if the engineer fails, it is the manager's job to fire the Engineer in question, before the Engineer's failure turns into a project failure. So either way, yeah, if you are perceived to have failed at your job, you are likely to get fired. The manager has a different job than the engineer, and thus is likely to get fired in different situations. But I don't think that managers have less job security than Engineers. In fact, I think Managers face rather less systemic risk in terms of technology changes than Engineers do. For instance, when UNIX beat mainframes? There were a lot of SysAdmins who had to scramble for serious retraining or to make the jump to management.