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Have a look at http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt and make sure you can rebut all the points :)

mark242 13y ago
Specifically, "Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once"
- oleganza 13y ago
  This have been solved by Bitcoin. People driven by greed are cooperating on building one blockchain. Then, they'd be happy to pay pennies for safe, secure and clean email system.
  - verroq 13y ago
    ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
    - oleganza 13y ago
      Public, driven by greed, will also invest in Bitcoin sooner or later as a better "store of wealth" and eventually a more liquid currency. We see it happening in real time. Don't lie to yourself: everyone sees 10x or more increases each year in number of hands willing to hold bitcoins long-term and not throwing them out on every temporary "bubble".
  - PeterisP 13y ago
    Cooperating on a single blockchain is beneficial from a purely functional greed-motivation; cooperating on a safe, secure and clean e-mail system is not beneficial from a purely functional greed-motivation. See the difference? "they'd be happy to pay pennies for [safer email system]" is an assumption that has been explored for years and is clearly completely false.
    - oleganza 13y ago
      You don't need to "cooperate" on a email system in a way blockchain requires cooperation (with strict following on one protocol). People who need to transfer and store messages will pay for it. Bitcoin makes it easy and cheap. That's it.
      - PeterisP 13y ago
        People who need to transmit messages will not pay for it, because they can send email for free - in order for a spam-solution to be useful, you need cooperation from a critical mass of recipients that they will not accept or send "old free email" anymore.
  - zamalek 13y ago
    > Then, they'd be happy to pay pennies for safe, secure and clean email system. That's a pretty big leap of faith right there. The truth is we already have a cryptosystem that is not only free, but always works. We have had it for years: PGP. Only the extremely savvy use it. We have a non-free one that does cost a mere "few pennies:" digital certificates. Only the insanely savvy use it. The existence of a system does not imply its use. That should be common knowledge for people who hang around on a website that is mostly geared toward startups.
ozh 13y ago
Heh, neat. Interactive form: http://ozh.github.io/your-spam-solution/index.html?9088567412556387 http://ozh.github.io/your-spam-solution/index.html?908856741... :)

mark242 13y ago

Specifically, "Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once"

oleganza 13y ago
This have been solved by Bitcoin. People driven by greed are cooperating on building one blockchain. Then, they'd be happy to pay pennies for safe, secure and clean email system.
- verroq 13y ago
  ( ) Public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
  - oleganza 13y ago
    Public, driven by greed, will also invest in Bitcoin sooner or later as a better "store of wealth" and eventually a more liquid currency. We see it happening in real time. Don't lie to yourself: everyone sees 10x or more increases each year in number of hands willing to hold bitcoins long-term and not throwing them out on every temporary "bubble".
- PeterisP 13y ago
  Cooperating on a single blockchain is beneficial from a purely functional greed-motivation; cooperating on a safe, secure and clean e-mail system is not beneficial from a purely functional greed-motivation. See the difference? "they'd be happy to pay pennies for [safer email system]" is an assumption that has been explored for years and is clearly completely false.
  - oleganza 13y ago
    You don't need to "cooperate" on a email system in a way blockchain requires cooperation (with strict following on one protocol). People who need to transfer and store messages will pay for it. Bitcoin makes it easy and cheap. That's it.
    - PeterisP 13y ago
      People who need to transmit messages will not pay for it, because they can send email for free - in order for a spam-solution to be useful, you need cooperation from a critical mass of recipients that they will not accept or send "old free email" anymore.
- zamalek 13y ago
  > Then, they'd be happy to pay pennies for safe, secure and clean email system. That's a pretty big leap of faith right there. The truth is we already have a cryptosystem that is not only free, but always works. We have had it for years: PGP. Only the extremely savvy use it. We have a non-free one that does cost a mere "few pennies:" digital certificates. Only the insanely savvy use it. The existence of a system does not imply its use. That should be common knowledge for people who hang around on a website that is mostly geared toward startups.

ozh 13y ago

Heh, neat. Interactive form: http://ozh.github.io/your-spam-solution/index.html?9088567412556387 http://ozh.github.io/your-spam-solution/index.html?908856741... :)