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There is simply not enough time for either NTHSA or Elon Musk's comments to be true bc there is not enough data to be able to compare him to say GM/Ford/etc in

by TheBiv 13y ago

There is simply not enough time for either NTHSA or Elon Musk's comments to be true bc there is not enough data to be able to compare him to say GM/Ford/etc in regards to whether or not Tesla's are the safest cars on the road or wether the battery pack makes it more/less safe than the gas powered vehicles that catch fire.

Shivetya 13y ago
Quit comparing them to gasoline powered cars. We have a car more than qualified to compare it to, the Nissan Leaf. So the real question is, in comparable accidents is the Leaf as prone to a fire that destroys the vehicle? Was a compromise made in the S with the pack design so as to facilitate pack swaps that perhaps made it vulnerable when it would not have otherwise been? Also, is the battery design more susceptible to fires than that employed by other cars, namely the Leaf? I am a fan of alternative methods to power car and motorcycles. Yet the questions for each is the same, what are the safety issues with each and what compromises end up affecting safety?
- JohnTHaller 13y ago
  > Quit comparing them to gasoline powered cars. Why? That's what these are being compared to in pretty much every other situation. It's a car. It's powered by something different, but it's still a car. Is it more or less safe than other cars? Are you really saying that if this is less safe than a Nissan Leaf (one specific car that's not in the same car class) it should be forced to change its design to raise the batteries higher -- raising the center of gravity and affecting handling -- even if it is as safe as or more safe than similar gasoline-powered cars in its class? If that's the situation, should we force one specific gasoline-powered luxury sedan to change its design if its less safe than a specific gas car in another class?
  - humanrebar 13y ago
    Do you know what car is least likely to catch fire? A horse. Honestly, as long as consumers are given accurate statistics regarding how safe these vehicles are, I think they should be able to buy (and insure) them even if they are a little less safe.
    - mdellabitta 13y ago
      > Do you know what car is least likely to catch fire? A horse. Actually, their fuel source conveys a significant fire risk: http://bchanicker.org/2013/09/27/risk-of-spontaneous-combustion-of-wet-hay/ http://bchanicker.org/2013/09/27/risk-of-spontaneous-combust...
- TheBiv 13y ago
  I am not doing that. Elon Musk was.

by TheBiv 13y ago

Shivetya 13y ago

Quit comparing them to gasoline powered cars. We have a car more than qualified to compare it to, the Nissan Leaf. So the real question is, in comparable accidents is the Leaf as prone to a fire that destroys the vehicle? Was a compromise made in the S with the pack design so as to facilitate pack swaps that perhaps made it vulnerable when it would not have otherwise been? Also, is the battery design more susceptible to fires than that employed by other cars, namely the Leaf? I am a fan of alternative methods to power car and motorcycles. Yet the questions for each is the same, what are the safety issues with each and what compromises end up affecting safety?

JohnTHaller 13y ago
> Quit comparing them to gasoline powered cars. Why? That's what these are being compared to in pretty much every other situation. It's a car. It's powered by something different, but it's still a car. Is it more or less safe than other cars? Are you really saying that if this is less safe than a Nissan Leaf (one specific car that's not in the same car class) it should be forced to change its design to raise the batteries higher -- raising the center of gravity and affecting handling -- even if it is as safe as or more safe than similar gasoline-powered cars in its class? If that's the situation, should we force one specific gasoline-powered luxury sedan to change its design if its less safe than a specific gas car in another class?
- humanrebar 13y ago
  Do you know what car is least likely to catch fire? A horse. Honestly, as long as consumers are given accurate statistics regarding how safe these vehicles are, I think they should be able to buy (and insure) them even if they are a little less safe.
  - mdellabitta 13y ago
    > Do you know what car is least likely to catch fire? A horse. Actually, their fuel source conveys a significant fire risk: http://bchanicker.org/2013/09/27/risk-of-spontaneous-combustion-of-wet-hay/ http://bchanicker.org/2013/09/27/risk-of-spontaneous-combust...
TheBiv 13y ago
I am not doing that. Elon Musk was.