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There is so much lost when moving to the cloud. Off the top of my head: You tie your data to one provider instead of simply physical media, you lose discovera
by smrtinsert 13y ago
There is so much lost when moving to the cloud.
Off the top of my head: You tie your data to one provider instead of simply physical media, you lose discoverability (will your kids browse your album choices 30 years from now?), exporting/importing quality is at the mercy of the provider (for example Amazon dropped several dozen mp3s when I migrated a few gigs to Google), and of course you place your data at the mercy of a business, (is any tech company eternal and/or always interested in providing cloud services?)
The cloud is way overdone, after giving a variety of services a go over the last few years, I'm actually pulling back.
- fletchowns 13y agoThat's why you run your own "cloud" music service. Personally I use Subsonic, and it is amazing. http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp
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- acheron 13y agoSounded really good until I got to the part about needing to pay a subscription fee.
- toomuchtodo 13y agoWe all need to eat.
- nitrogen 13y agoBut it seems those music listeners in this thread are the type that prefer a single up-front cost over a recurring subscription.
- vacri 13y agoYou don't need to. It's a freemium model - paying a subscription gets you some extra features, like apps for mobile.
- euank 13y agoYou don't need to. Since subsonic is Open Source, there's naturally multiple forks with the licensing code removed. The best fork, which also adds features, is madsonic[0]. I recommend it. In addition, if you already have subsonic, the license code is simply a check if your password = the md5 of your email. So using "example@example.com" and "23463b99b62a72f26ed677cc556c44e8" will make it think you're a valid subscriber and give you all features. [0]: http://www.madsonic.org/ http://www.madsonic.org/
- pacificmint 13y ago> the license code is simply a check if your password = the md5 of your email That used to be the case, but the newer versions actually phone home and verify the license.
- euank 13y agoThanks for the information. It was true the last time I used subsonic, but that isn't all that recently. Still, I have no doubt it wouldn't be hard to remove it from the code.
- cheapskate 13y agoecho "127.0.0.1 subsonic.org" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
- wattengard 13y agoSorry but the front of that page made me throw up a bit in my mouth and just close it back down again...
- 72deluxe 13y agoI like how they used a massive picture and then scaled it down in the IMG tag instead of just resizing the picture and putting it on the page. Very entertaining...!
- fletchowns 13y agoIt's ONE DOLLAR per month. ONE DOLLAR! And it's only if you want the extra features. Would you rather have ads be inserted between your songs or something? The development of the app needs to be paid for one way or the other.
- csmuk 13y agoOne dollar is too much for something that was a solved problem (media sync).
- fletchowns 13y agoHow is that a solved problem?
- csmuk 13y agoHow is it not? Plug shit into PC, two way sync. WinPhone and iOS do this fine.
- fletchowns 13y agoExactly, that's not a solved problem. Your first step, "plug shit into PC", is not something that I currently do with my phone, nor do I want to have to start doing.
- antihero 13y agoAh yes, the old "sync 600GB of MP3s onto a 32GB device" trick.
- ozh 13y agoWhich has to be reason #2 or #3 why I hate iTunes with passion.
- csmuk 13y agoYes because you really need 600GB of mp3s which on the back of an envelope calculation is over 1000 days of listening for 8 hours a day at a reasonable bitrate with no repeats... I'm sure, at amazon prices which is a fair approximation including CDs, you didn't spend $100,000 on them either. This is really not a problem. Well it is but only greed created it.
- rjbwork 13y agoI also use subsonic and love it. It's unfortunate that the author moved to a monthly/yearly subscription model. Luckily, I am grandfathered into a lifetime premium membership with a free dynamic DNS address, which is really nice.
- nnnnni 13y agoOr you can use Supersonic or Madsonic, which are forks without the "forced donation for open source software" problem.
- lazylizard 13y agoi liked http://www.pancake.org/zina http://www.pancake.org/zina too...
- err4nt 13y agoI used to run Subsonic, now I'm loving http://plexapp.com http://plexapp.com and the (paid) iOS app. I'm also an Rdio and Netflix subscriber, but running Plex on my server allows me to 'roll my own Netflix' and stream movies and music to my iPad or other computers, or even from my server to any computer in the web browser. I'm happy.
- gcb1 13y agoso, all that gets you is a interface and some search? i just have an apache serving all my videos and a bookmark on any device browser. click and play. for android i use mx player.
- sandGorgon 13y agoPlex is the only solution that I have found that seamlessly plays video on my flatscreen through my mobile with the content being served from my laptop. Before you ask - yes I used to be running xbmc, minidlna, etc. previously. No, they are nowhere as good (actually, to rephrase, the client-server model is not xbmc's focus, which is completely wrong IMHO).
- themstheones 13y agoSo you can set up apache to host movies on a home network, then stream them with VLC? That sounds like a fantastic solution. Is there a solution for playing music this way on something resembling a stereo that supports playlists?
- antihero 13y agoMan, I can't get Plex to run. It looks so excellent but whenever I try and play anything I get "Media player error! Resetting" and then nothing happens. Edit: Rebooted phone and it works now. Holy shit this is cool, and I can even share my media library with friends!
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- adamwong246 13y agoMPD ftw
- ams6110 13y agoFrom the site: Based on Java technology Ugh.. lost me. I don't run Java anything anymore.
- smoyer 13y agoI hear a lot of people claim that, but the reality is that many people run applications they don't realize are Java, and a lot of the infrastructure you rely on runs Java behind it. As a JavaEE architect/developer, I whole-heartedly agree that you shouldn't run Applets in your browser anymore. In fact, unsigned applets will no longer run after January of 2014, which will break a lot of the banking infrastructure and a couple important client applications at my day job.
- fletchowns 13y agoThanks for the worthless comment!
- thibaut_barrere 13y agoI think he has a tiny point actually: I saw a number of people around me removing Java (or not installing it on new computers) after the numerous vulnerabilities reported recently. Just a data point but well - I wonder if this could affect sales of java-based product etc.
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- sciurus 13y agoAlso there's Ampache. https://github.com/ampache/ampache https://github.com/ampache/ampache https://web.archive.org/web/20130302160313/http://ampache.org/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130302160313/http://ampache.or... https://web.archive.org/web/20130306044144/http://ampache.org/wiki/ https://web.archive.org/web/20130306044144/http://ampache.or... Within the last year the project ditched their website in favor of just using github. However, strangely they didn't migrate any the content from their website to it.
- metaphorm 13y agoyou're only making the case for improvements to cloud data providers, not making the case that physical media is still worth using. physical media has enormous problems for anything besides long term archival use.
- sbirchall 13y ago"physical media has enormous problems for anything besides long term archival use" for those of us that consider music as art that is precisely the point, especially re: children browsing their parents collections
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- LnxPrgr3 13y agoI glad my music collection was on physical media when tornadoes knocked power out to just about the entire county. I had something to cure the boredom besides drinking and rioting! (Well, once the weather stopped trying to kill us all.) I'm also glad my music is on physical media every time I don't have to pay insane rates for a couple hours of wifi on a flight just to listen to my music, or when I'm killing time somewhere where cell service is spotty at best. I don't yet live in the future where access to the cloud is a given, and I prefer my devices don't become completely useless without a data connection. Edit: My primary physical media isn't a pile of CDs—I have plenty of those too, but stopped carrying them the moment I got an MP3 player. Now I carry almost my entire collection on my phone and a whole lot more than that on my laptop. I see nothing wrong with having copies of things in the cloud (remote backup FTW), but I'm not about to take a shotgun to my local disks.
- tteam 13y agoYou can check out our personal cloud software Tonido (http://www.tonido.com http://www.tonido.com). It organizes all your music, video collection and makes it available from anywhere. We have very good mobile apps for iOS, Android and even for Windows 8. You don't need to take our word. Just check the app ratings and reviews in app stores.
- hyrehas 13y agoTonido sucks. Nothing but issues and problems with it and support is non-existent. Stay away!
- tteam 13y agoyou just created an account to say this :). Looks like we are getting popular. Please check our forum, our community and make an informed decision.
- jlu 13y ago@team tonido: just tried the newer v4.* version and it totally rocks, like 10x better than previous one, good jobs !
- revnja 13y agoI wanted a free TonidoPlug but no one read my mind and sent it to me for free, so they're just awful.
- markshepard 13y agoyou don't even need tonidoplug for it. If you have an old PC or Linux box and you can mount your NAS containing your music, you can just install the free version of Tonido Desktop and stream all of it.
- amagumori 13y agoi agree. however i wouldn't worry about your kids wanting to browse your music choices
- icebraining 13y agoThat's such a tired cliché. Plenty of us share some music tastes with our parents.
- eddiedunn 13y agoI use ownCloud[1] . A bit of a hassle to install, and not as streamlined as e.g. Dropbox to use, but well worth it if you wish to have your own, free and open source cloud solution. [1]: http://owncloud.org http://owncloud.org
- SkyMarshal 13y agoTry Mopidy [1], it's a version of mpd that plays all your music - local files, Spotify, Soundcloud, Rdio, etc. It's awesome. [1]: http://www.mopidy.com/ http://www.mopidy.com/
- csmuk 13y agoAgree. I'm doing the same with everything related to "the cloud". The current international political climate doesn't support this model. Also with music, I point blank refuse to let music turn into a subscription based service. I still buy CDs when something agrees with my ears and listen to them. I also quite happily transcribe things to sheet music and play it breaking many a royalty and public performance law. Fuck 'em.
- 72deluxe 13y agoHurray for the CD purchasers! I thought I was the only one left doing this! I too cannot abide a cloud based service for listening to music. I understand the merits of Google's music service but given the fleeting nature of cloud based services, I would rather have a physical copy of something that I can rerip if necessary (and look at the sleeve notes). Having to download music over my limited mobile connection whilst out and about doesn't sound like fun, particularly when the cost of an iPod Classic (with sufficient storage for all of my music, unlike the Touch) is negligible, and the dodgy nature of coverage in hilly areas in the UK. I am chuffed that CD buyers still exist!
- csmuk 13y agoI live in London and coverage here is pretty bad at times. My phone barely manages GPRS at times. There are plenty of us CD buyers left :). We're just not as noisy.
- danudey 13y agoAll my iTunes Match content came from my computer, can be copied to my computer, and can be backed up independently. There's no reason that The Cloud and Owning Your Files has to be a binary choice. The Cloud can be a great compliment to your local file storage, rather than a replacement for it. Another example: store your music in Dropbox, which clones it to all your devices (where applicable), and then use Tunebox (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tunebox-dropbox-music-player/id475688071 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/tunebox-dropbox-music-player...) as your frontend. Now you have a 'cloud' music service where you control the content, someone else handles the distribution, and everything is cloned locally on all your machines (for your other players to use). Then you can trivially back up your music files from Dropbox to a local backup (or a third-party backup service if all you want is some form of company-independent redundancy.
- lttlrck 13y agoAll my iTunes Match content came/comes from CDs. I still buy physical media from Amazon when it makes sense (most of the time).
- basch 13y agoPut your data in more than one cloud and keep a local backup.
- deepGem 13y agoIsn't this true of data in general. Not just specific to music. It's unfortunate that Amazon dropped some mp3s but that is more of an exception than the norm right ? If we are talking about data integrity, there are several ways in which this can be mitigated. I think it's worthwhile to have all your music stored in a location that is accessible from anywhere and from any player