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>far more bad has been wrought by assuming differences were innate than assuming they were the result of bias. I see more people causing harm trying to ignore

>far more bad has been wrought by assuming differences were innate than assuming they were the result of bias. I see more people causing harm trying to ignore natural differences, so I must ask, what have you observed that causes you to believe that? "Don't just stand there, do something."

CJefferson 13y ago
Looking bad over History, many groups have been denied the right to vote, denied basic human rights, and killed, because it was decided they were different, and therefore this treatment was reasonable. I am unaware of any reasonable comparisons of where trying to ignore natural differences has caused anything resembling the same level of suffering. I would be interested in some examples you could provide.
- ninjac0der 13y ago
  ...and they were different, culturally, philosophically, in every case I can think of.
octo_t 13y ago
pretty much every genocide ever?
- ivanca 13y ago
  Nope, just the biggest one (Holocaust), the second biggest being Holodomor, an Stalin's attack to Ukranian Nationalism. Genocides in Nigeria and similar ones are ethnic ones for political power, without justification over biological differences.
  - thatthatis 13y ago
    If you're mass murdering without justification in biological/cultural/racial differences, isn't that by definition not a genocide?
    - ivanca 13y ago
      In that case, the grandparent-comment is not actually asking anything and just pointing out that a word for defining such events exists.
      - ninjac0der 13y ago
        No, I would argue the holocaust and more are confusing cultural disagreements with racial stereotyping which have more to do with (surprise!) culture than race. I think it's much more believable that a large group of people grew angry with a culture of racial inclusion in financial matters leading toward the ease of hatred of a racial stereotype than the actual genes involved. Race is the identifier, not the cause. If it wasn't race, it would family names or family colors/flags, gender, buck-teeth or what-have-you, as shown throughout history. Bickering and bigotry aren't reason for arbitrarily changing things.

CJefferson 13y ago

Looking bad over History, many groups have been denied the right to vote, denied basic human rights, and killed, because it was decided they were different, and therefore this treatment was reasonable. I am unaware of any reasonable comparisons of where trying to ignore natural differences has caused anything resembling the same level of suffering. I would be interested in some examples you could provide.

ninjac0der 13y ago
...and they were different, culturally, philosophically, in every case I can think of.

octo_t 13y ago

pretty much every genocide ever?

ivanca 13y ago
Nope, just the biggest one (Holocaust), the second biggest being Holodomor, an Stalin's attack to Ukranian Nationalism. Genocides in Nigeria and similar ones are ethnic ones for political power, without justification over biological differences.
- thatthatis 13y ago
  If you're mass murdering without justification in biological/cultural/racial differences, isn't that by definition not a genocide?
  - ivanca 13y ago
    In that case, the grandparent-comment is not actually asking anything and just pointing out that a word for defining such events exists.
    - ninjac0der 13y ago
      No, I would argue the holocaust and more are confusing cultural disagreements with racial stereotyping which have more to do with (surprise!) culture than race. I think it's much more believable that a large group of people grew angry with a culture of racial inclusion in financial matters leading toward the ease of hatred of a racial stereotype than the actual genes involved. Race is the identifier, not the cause. If it wasn't race, it would family names or family colors/flags, gender, buck-teeth or what-have-you, as shown throughout history. Bickering and bigotry aren't reason for arbitrarily changing things.