Yea--me too. As a former Carpenter, I always found Carpenter pencils awkward. They were inprecise. Yes, finish Carpenters are required, on many jobs to be

Yea--me too. As a former Carpenter, I always found Carpenter pencils awkward. They were inprecise. Yes, finish Carpenters are required, on many jobs to be within 1/16 th on an inch. I know this pen is for cpmputer art-- which I still have a hard time accepting. And I know Boris Whatever is pretty impressive, but for myself it's still 2H pencils, with soft and hard erasers, and never drawing-- just shadowing.